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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1440 on: February 09, 2012, 09:54:55 pm »

Well in that case, Rank is useless! :P
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« Reply #1441 on: February 09, 2012, 10:11:40 pm »

I'd rather have 100 junk provinces that ruin my tech speed than be a hyper teching minor. And I've played both ways too, but you simply gain more of an advantage by having more troops and income than by having slightly better tech.

Noone said anything about OPMing. And tech can have a crazy amount of effect, particularly if you get military tactics 2.0 just before anyone else does, your armies become amazingly powerful at that point (until they catch up)

Unless your a major power and can field more troops than another major power you're about to fight, your going to want better tech, and having more valuable provinces will help with that quite a bit.
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« Reply #1442 on: February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 pm »

I think the idea he had there is you take the somewhat worthless provinces because even they stack up until you are the major power that can field more troops against other major powers. Basically, for a big nation the small hit to tech is worth the income/manpower/forcelimit that come with the less then optimal provinces.
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« Reply #1443 on: February 10, 2012, 02:26:42 am »

I'd rather have 100 junk provinces that ruin my tech speed than be a hyper teching minor. And I've played both ways too, but you simply gain more of an advantage by having more troops and income than by having slightly better tech.

Noone said anything about OPMing. And tech can have a crazy amount of effect, particularly if you get military tactics 2.0 just before anyone else does, your armies become amazingly powerful at that point (until they catch up)

Unless your a major power and can field more troops than another major power you're about to fight, your going to want better tech, and having more valuable provinces will help with that quite a bit.

I mentioned being a OPM as an example, although you can have more than one province and still be a minor.

What I'm saying is that having those extra provinces will allow you to field more troops, which will always be an advantage over your foes rather than the tech one, which will only occasionally be an advantage when major military advances happen.

The point is you're better off taking junk provinces than not having them. There is simply no province whatsoever I'd rather not have than have, even crappy 2 base tax wrong-religion, wrong-culture grain producers. Because hey, that's a bit of extra dosh and manpower.
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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1444 on: February 10, 2012, 09:26:37 am »

Want to know why take that province? Because its a big hit to stab. 100 junk provinces will mean that your stab will take DECADES to increase. And according to the wiki, you need + stab in order to be productive.

Theres also take 5 very high devloped provinces with 1,000,000+ pop over 100 junk provinces, because those provinces would more likely provide just as much money and manpower then all of those provinces combined.
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« Reply #1445 on: February 10, 2012, 10:21:24 am »

I'm not really sure what I should do with the national focus, is it okay to just throw it around every few months as I want, for quickly building colonies?
Should I always try to annex countries I can or should I make vassals of some of them? If I understood right vassals have no cons as long as they're weaker than you while annexing increases costs and may cause rebels?
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« Reply #1446 on: February 10, 2012, 10:35:40 am »

Want to know why take that province? Because its a big hit to stab. 100 junk provinces will mean that your stab will take DECADES to increase. And according to the wiki, you need + stab in order to be productive.

Theres also take 5 very high devloped provinces with 1,000,000+ pop over 100 junk provinces, because those provinces would more likely provide just as much money and manpower then all of those provinces combined.

There are tons of ways to gain stab without researching it. Honestly, if you have issues with stab (other then if you are doing something really big like westernising) you are most likely doing it wrong.

Secondly, who do you think would win in a fight between a nation with five good provinces vs a nation with five good provinces and 100 shitty ones? No one is saying ignore good provinces, or even not to value them above your other provinces, just that shitty ones can be worth taking.

The thing with tech is no matter what you are not going to fall more then two or three levels behind, and the AI is not smart enough to take advantage of that gap.
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« Reply #1447 on: February 10, 2012, 10:37:48 am »

I'm not really sure what I should do with the national focus, is it okay to just throw it around every few months as I want, for quickly building colonies?
You can only do that once a decade, I think, so yes, it's ok to throw it around as soon as it frees up.
Should I always try to annex countries I can or should I make vassals of some of them? If I understood right vassals have no cons as long as they're weaker than you while annexing increases costs and may cause rebels?
Opinions are split on this, but I personally love vassals for those exact reasons. Make sure you have a border in the direction you want to expand into, as it's impossible to annex a vassal who isn't your religion (group?), and you almost never get CB on someone you don't have a border with.
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« Reply #1448 on: February 10, 2012, 11:06:00 am »

I dont get, why shouldnt I take provinces even if it's shitty one. Once you get core, you will get all it's manpower and tax.
Seriously, till you risk overextension you should take any possible province if it's not screw your infamy.

Who cares if Austria have better tech, if I have near million manpower and my stacks replenish fully in one month? And forcelimits in hundreds?

When people speaking about expansion, they often forget how important manpower is. It's not about ability to build army in war (you shouldnt do that, actually), it's about huge boost to reinforce speed. Thats why +reinforce and +discipline advisors is so overpowered combined.

And btw, what I am supposed to do if I have zero infamy? CONQUER  :P
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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1449 on: February 10, 2012, 12:21:06 pm »

But if you have more provinces then your name on the map will be bigger. Isn't that the point of the game?  ???
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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1450 on: February 10, 2012, 12:30:58 pm »

But if you have more provinces then your name on the map will be bigger. Isn't that the point of the game?  ???
Agreed. :P
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« Reply #1451 on: February 10, 2012, 03:36:49 pm »

But if you have more provinces then your name on the map will be bigger. Isn't that the point of the game?  ???
Agreed. :P

That and getting something like Austrian France if possible.
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« Reply #1452 on: February 10, 2012, 04:05:24 pm »

That and getting something like Austrian France if possible.
That reminds me. In my latest game, I've got a Spain with a "Spanish Belgium".

In Florida. :P
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Unknown to most but the insane and the mystics, Tarran is actually Earth itself, as Earth is sentient like that planet in Avatar. Originally Earth used names such as Terra on the internet, but to protect it's identity it changed letters, now becoming the Tarran you know today.
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« Reply #1453 on: February 11, 2012, 01:27:14 pm »

That and getting something like Austrian France if possible.
That reminds me. In my latest game, I've got a Spain with a "Spanish Belgium".

In Florida. :P
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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1454 on: February 11, 2012, 01:44:02 pm »

That and getting something like Austrian France if possible.
That reminds me. In my latest game, I've got a Spain with a "Spanish Belgium".

In Florida. :P
....I'm guessing Belgium got cores on Florida at some point, died and was reborn in the New World, then was conquered again? That or they're using Belgium in the profane HGttG sense.  :P

I really need to post the map from my current game. The map title "SCANDINAVIA" stretches from Norway to the Kamchatka peninsula. It's hella sweet.
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