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[Cilver]

If you end a torture session with the captive tied up, can they escape, at all?

[Jacob/Lee]

I haven't seen it happen, IIRC it may be possible if everyone leaves the safehouse or the captive has great training (see: agent). They automatically get freed if the safehouse is stormed when it is abandoned/defenders are defeated.

[Necro910]

If you leave the person unattended for extended periods of time, they'll eventually escape. Or gut themselves like a fish with the pointy rod sharpened from the leg of the metal chair. Carved with their remaining fingernails.

[Kay12]

Tied people can't escape unless the safehouse is unoccupied by Liberals. Escape chance is lowered by the number of people in safehouse and increased by the captive's strength, intelligence and agility. And after the initial kidnapping, there's a safe period of a few days during which the hostage cannot escape.

[Ottofar]

Is the minimum number of days before a conversion three, or is there any?

I haven't been able to convert from conservative in less than that ever. Just thought I could ask since this is kindá relevant thread.

[Kay12]

There's no explicit limit, but it may be caused by the rapport gaining mechanics.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Or at least the heart/wisdom differences guaranteed by Conservatives. They necessarily start with high wisdom and low heart by virtue of who they are, so there's a bit of work to be done either way.

[Kay12]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

[Cilver]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

Related question, using the conservativeifying method and kidnapping ex-squad members, can you make them sleepers?

[Necro910]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

Relates question, using the conservativeifying method and kidnapping ex-squad members, can you make them sleepers?

ONLY if they're enlightened before the cons find out.

[Kay12]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

Relates question, using the conservativeifying method and kidnapping ex-squad members, can you make them sleepers?

ONLY if they're enlightened before the cons find out.

And that's going to be hard, because the Liberals typically have been "missing" for months if not years...

But! Another seldom seen rule quip kicks in to make this possible. So rare I've never seen it in action apart from testing it once. For kidnapped people with fairly high heart and at least some wisdom, there's a 1/4 chance of the conversion being so convincing the cops won't consider it a kidnapping anymore, meaning they can resume their jobs as if the kidnapping wasn't reported in the first place. Conservafied Liberals qualify easily for this.

[Cilver]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

Relates question, using the conservativeifying method and kidnapping ex-squad members, can you make them sleepers?

ONLY if they're enlightened before the cons find out.

And that's going to be hard, because the Liberals typically have been "missing" for months if not years...

But! Another seldom seen rule quip kicks in to make this possible. So rare I've never seen it in action apart from testing it once. For kidnapped people with fairly high heart and at least some wisdom, there's a 1/4 chance of the conversion being so convincing the cops won't consider it a kidnapping anymore, meaning they can resume their jobs as if the kidnapping wasn't reported in the first place. Conservafied Liberals qualify easily for this.

So if my Liberal right hand man gets conservied, and I kidnap them and enlighten them, they'll be unfit as sleepers because they were already reported as active members before? I didn't think the reported missing thing was kept track of past the enlightening.

Also, the bonus conversion with high heart and low wisdom only takes away the "wanted for rehab" thing, because the members announce their entry into the squad was by choice publicly. It doesn't let them become sleepers IIRC.

[Kay12]

Yeah... I did a bit of experimenting a while back. I had a high-heart Liberal convert to Conservative, get kidnapped and returned to the base. They were fairly easy to re-educate, but I can't remember if it took less than three days. What I can remember was that they could escape right away, because they had enough "days in captivity" for that.

'Twas fun, I must try that again... for others wishing to do that, just one word: GAVEL.

Relates question, using the conservativeifying method and kidnapping ex-squad members, can you make them sleepers?

ONLY if they're enlightened before the cons find out.

And that's going to be hard, because the Liberals typically have been "missing" for months if not years...

But! Another seldom seen rule quip kicks in to make this possible. So rare I've never seen it in action apart from testing it once. For kidnapped people with fairly high heart and at least some wisdom, there's a 1/4 chance of the conversion being so convincing the cops won't consider it a kidnapping anymore, meaning they can resume their jobs as if the kidnapping wasn't reported in the first place. Conservafied Liberals qualify easily for this.

So if my Liberal right hand man gets conservied, and I kidnap them and enlighten them, they'll be unfit as sleepers because they were already reported as active members before? I didn't think the reported missing thing was kept track of past the enlightening.

No... the problem is that they've been "missing" for hundreds of days, meaning that their kidnapping will be reported pretty much immediately. That's the problem. They may also escape immediately.

Also, the bonus conversion with high heart and low wisdom only takes away the "wanted for rehab" thing, because the members announce their entry into the squad was by choice publicly. It doesn't let them become sleepers IIRC.

Huh, it seems to be so. I don't get why, though.

[Elodie Hiras]

Guess that they got thrown out of their jobs for missing 9+ days... Or maybe their bosses just said "fuck them, they're not coming back, let's hire someone else..."

[lopocozo]

Would attacking the police station to close it make it so that a hostage will never be roported?