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Author Topic: Roguelike Mafia 3 - Rise of the Jewel [Game Over]  (Read 113789 times)

Darvi

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Re: Roguelike Mafia 3 - First blood [Day 4] [Need Replacement] [Please]
« Reply #480 on: September 17, 2011, 04:06:52 pm »

-Max is scum, killed his buddies and has to survive three or four more days (can't be bothered to count them) without being caught. Mind you, unlike, for example, Person or webadict he's not even that an experienced player.
Yes, but you can't rely on scum to be predictable. Unless you're playing in a BM, in which case inexperienced scum will almost always kill the ICs.
Who's speaking about predictable here? What I'm saying is that your idea would practically involve a mediocre player fight off five others, one of which is pretty good.
Never mind that Max cannot be cult.

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By the same reasoning, I also think that Simple did the kill, even if he most likely didn't get the right target:
-Used his scroll of death and bypassed the block or
-He didn't get converted on N1, somebody is a thief, who stole the scroll, and then killed Tolyk for whatever reason. Also, he didn't claim an action in the same post where he says he got robbed.
Option one is more likely, though I have no idea why an intelligent scum would kill the other scummiest player in the game instead of letting the town lynch him.
I never said anything about the thief being scum. It might as well have been a townie who'd have wanted to get rid of TolyK because wuba claimed interaction with him on N2.
But I doubt it anyway.

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At the cost of effectively losing a ote and an action? Also, town knows that an inactive player is a liability. There's the possibility that a townie might vig-kill him. At best, dead scumbag. At worst, dead townie who wouldn't have been of any help anyway. Think is more of a liability than any help to any cult.

Also, not even webadict is, in my experience, that douchebaggy.
If I get a kill tonight, I'll probably direct it towards Think.
I think a NK towards him would be a good idea. That we agree on.

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How about this then. Today, we lynch Simple. If by then the game hasn't ended, town lynches me, then you, then Think. Either way, Person and Max survive, and the last cultist dies.
I like it, but it has some flaws. What if the remaining cultist is Max? Or, what if you are the remaining cultist, and get a kill and kill Person/Max with it?
Not really. I cannot be cult because TolyK got door'd. Either he and webadict lied about it (and we know Tolyk didn't) or his Scroll of Command made you target him and you fake-claimed after being converted to give webadict an alibi.
Neither of us can be cultists.

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Well guess what. TolyK confirmed that Webadict used door creation on him N2, so Wuba couldn't have converted anybody that night. Simple's the last cultist.
Read above. You are a most likely culprit in that case.


Well there is a massive problem with that. It sounds really boring.
Would you rather have a boring win or an exciting possible loss?

Also, Max, I'm going to block Think and you're going to block OB alright? That way if anybody gets a kill item we can get rid of Think.
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Re: Roguelike Mafia 3 - First blood [Day 4] [Need Replacement] [Please]
« Reply #481 on: September 17, 2011, 04:09:06 pm »

Actually, fuck no, what am I talking about.

You should protect Person and I block OB. Because we know that Think can't be cult.

Blaaargh My brain makes no sense.
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« Reply #482 on: September 17, 2011, 04:40:04 pm »

Urgh. I'm nearly dead and i forget most important part of my post : I tried to use newly found scroll of corrosion on darvi and hit think instead. And i don't know why you worry about me bypassing block ? Isn't that something that you knew since yesterday ? And if you like to know if i had not lost the death scroll i would kill either darvi or think (probably think).

And my theory based on the fact that i was not converted (don't read it if you're completely sure i'm cultist): webadict (jewel original master) was not the cult leader but some kind of survivor/sk while there's some kind of "jewel thief/seeker" that's another similar third party. They could know of each other and that's why neither killed.Or that's just my imagination..

Darvi: If you're so sure i'm scum why don't you call for shorten ? Or you believe there's "another cultist" or two that you will need to find tomorrow and prepare for that ? I remind that you said you have no reason to think i'm the only one.

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« Reply #483 on: September 17, 2011, 05:22:53 pm »

Also, Max, I'm going to block Think and you're going to block OB alright? That way if anybody gets a kill item we can get rid of Think.
Sounds reasonable, I guess. I don't know, somebody else might have something.
Anybody else got anything we can plan around?

And my theory based on the fact that i was not converted (don't read it if you're completely sure i'm cultist): webadict (jewel original master) was not the cult leader but some kind of survivor/sk while there's some kind of "jewel thief/seeker" that's another similar third party. They could know of each other and that's why neither killed.Or that's just my imagination..
If Wubba was a SK, why no kills? Also, if Wubba wasn't the cult leader, why haven't we lost yet? Your story doesn't make a lot of sense. You sound a lot like Wubba, spewing out random nonsense to try and save your ass.

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« Reply #484 on: September 17, 2011, 05:28:10 pm »

Also, Max, I'm going to block Think and you're going to block OB alright? That way if anybody gets a kill item we can get rid of Think.
Sounds reasonable, I guess. I don't know, somebody else might have something.
Anybody else got anything we can plan around?
Actually I changed the plan in my next post. We've got no reason to block Think so you can protect Person instead.

Darvi: If you're so sure i'm scum why don't you call for shorten ? Or you believe there's "another cultist" or two that you will need to find tomorrow and prepare for that ? I remind that you said you have no reason to think i'm the only one.
Aaaand what was the intention behind that question?

I don't feel like shortening,  we're still talking. Also, shortening while waiting for an answer is counter-productive. Which I was.
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« Reply #485 on: September 17, 2011, 05:34:27 pm »

And my theory based on the fact that i was not converted (don't read it if you're completely sure i'm cultist): webadict (jewel original master) was not the cult leader but some kind of survivor/sk while there's some kind of "jewel thief/seeker" that's another similar third party. They could know of each other and that's why neither killed.Or that's just my imagination..
If Wubba was a SK, why no kills? Also, if Wubba wasn't the cult leader, why haven't we lost yet? Your story doesn't make a lot of sense. You sound a lot like Wubba, spewing out random nonsense to try and save your ass.
To be honest i was reading the rougelike discussion thread and webadict proposed there a double sk scenario. While this is rather meta-information it made me think that maybe we're playing it right now.  Why no kills ? He was saving it for his opponent or something else ? And i don't get your second question ? This scenario does not mix with the cult one.

PPE: Darvi: Because it annoys me when i'm once again ((i'm talking about Witches Coven) in situation when i'm suspect by no evidence against anyone else and i can't do anything to clear myself.
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« Reply #486 on: September 17, 2011, 05:37:29 pm »

Actually, you're right.

If one of the two of you didn't get converted, they shouldn't be bothered about being lynched, since the other has to be the last cultist (awesome name for a movie btw), and will die too.

So in that case, alea jacta est. Shorten
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Re: Roguelike Mafia 3 - First blood [Day 4] [Need Replacement] [Please]
« Reply #487 on: September 17, 2011, 05:38:21 pm »

Shorten.
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« Reply #488 on: September 17, 2011, 05:40:03 pm »

To be honest i was reading the rougelike discussion thread and webadict proposed there a double sk scenario. While this is rather meta-information it made me think that maybe we're playing it right now.  Why no kills ? He was saving it for his opponent or something else ? And i don't get your second question ? This scenario does not mix with the cult one.

PPE: Darvi: Because it annoys me when i'm once again ((i'm talking about Witches Coven) in situation when i'm suspect by no evidence against anyone else and i can't do anything to clear myself.
So two serial killers, both refusing to kill because they want to kill the other? Whyyy?
I mean if I were an SK in that situation I would be killing and try to not kill the other SK because they are also killing people, thus making killing everybody a lot easier.

And yea, we have our cultist for today, might as well speed things along. Shorten.

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« Reply #489 on: September 17, 2011, 05:59:04 pm »

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Were you all just waiting for someone to start ?

Max: Killing everyone with what ?
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Re: Roguelike Mafia 3 - First blood [Day 4] [Need Replacement] [Please]
« Reply #490 on: September 17, 2011, 05:59:45 pm »

Mafia, and presumably SK's, don't need any items to kill.
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« Reply #491 on: September 17, 2011, 06:02:36 pm »

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Were you all just waiting for someone to start ?

Max: Killing everyone with what ?
Well it didn't really come to mind until recently.

Also, with night kills, that is what SKs do! That is like asking what the mafia kill with, or the cult leader cults with.

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« Reply #492 on: September 17, 2011, 06:03:44 pm »

Mafia, and presumably SK's, don't need any items to kill.
Have you read that thread ? Moment... here
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« Reply #493 on: September 17, 2011, 06:05:23 pm »

So?
He didn't say anything about SK's not having kills.

Also, why so bothered? If you're town you've got nothing to lose.
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« Reply #494 on: September 17, 2011, 06:07:22 pm »

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Were you all just waiting for someone to start ?

I was about to shorten, but Darvi beat me to the punch.
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