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[Orangebottle]

Orangebottle: You suspect that webadict is the leader ? Why you think that assuming someone tells the truth is wrong ?

Oh, what, someone actually read my post instead of completely ignoring it?

Yeah, it was a somewhat complex claim he just tried. I don't think anybody else could have come up with that much information, though the bit about the gem sort of sealed it for me. Who better to have the Emperor's Jewel than the cult leader?

If you don't know anything about a person, would you trust them with your money? Your car? Your house?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

[Darvi]

I don't think he is the leader. His sudden vote-swing from TolyK to Dariush looks more like a literal change of heart than anything.

[TolyK]

here's that thing i promised:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

First of all: Whoo no more bodies.
Second of all: Wuba visited Simple.
Now, onto this:

TolyK & Darvi: Any reason why you didn't suspect somebody yesterday, or at least not enough to vote for them?

I had doubts about everyone, and everybody was already pounding Nuke, so... :/
What's left is in the rest of my post.

Tolyk,Darvi: Your suspects ?

I suspect everyone (except myself ), but most of all I suspect %%% and %%%.
Read further for reasons.

TolyK: Would you care to tell us now what you were going to say?

I would!

Tolyk: So far lurking has seems to attract a lot of attention. You better come out guns blazing ready to blow my mind with some awesome, well thought out answers, because I can't keep questioning you until you do. Your inactivity is delaying my questioning, and I don't like that.

I got it. That's what this post is about, jeez.

Also, some decompiling of this post (bold mine):

TolyK:

Several situations:
…
 

I love how you fail to take any sides whatsoever in the argument, and instead talk about
inactive people. Actually, no. No I don't love it. I hate it. Why are you doing it? Hmm… where exactly did I talk about inactive people, other than they’re just there? Anyways, I love how you try to take my posts to a wrong turn.

You also seem to be quite knowledgeable. How did you come to the conclusion that Nuke and I are/were town? I didn’t. I said that it’s most likely you’re both townies going on each other, but didn’t say the others are impossible. Anyways, I’m still not sure between two of the alternatives.

So, in this section, I conclude that we should be looking for the other scum

Yes, you should be hunting, TolyK. The active people who will actually respond, not the lurkers. The fact that you aren't really doing anything earns my suspicion.
This is correct, probably only part of what is here.

Tolyk: Why didn't ya notice that BBF isn't playing anymore?

...
Mr. Face, meet Mr. Computer.
...
although I was mostly commenting his behaviour, maybe Simple will play that differently... :?
 

Why are you being so extremely passive? You posted analysis, but did nothing with it. Then you posted that. That shit. Shitposting. Stop it.
What exactly do you mean here?

dammit.
i'm trying to read through this thread, but school started for me and... 
I have saved my post so far, it's not ready yet.
and no, i actually have an opinion there 

Webadict was able to post something semi-useful, even when pressed for time. Why can't you? School? I have school too, and I post far more often than you do.
I want to see this so-called post you have saved.
HERE IT IS!
Darvi:
Your last post(here)
was ~72 hours ago(at the time I drafted this post). Where the hell are you and why aren't you being more active?
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Dariush: What. The. Hell.

This post. It's absolutely terrible. You accuse NUKE of using ALLCAPS and call that a scumtell, and proceed to use ALLCAPS yourself. You also accuse him of hypocrisy in the same breath, which is more hypocrisy.
This is correct.
Then, you proceed to completely ignore NUKE's rebuttal asking you to explain why his case is bullshit, hoping he'd be too busy to catch you. And he was. Until you went back and boasted in his face about it. You continue to piss him off, then beg for him to vote you so you can add OMGUS to your retarded case against him.
This is also correct, but what about other players’ reactions?
This isn't Town play. It's not town play at all. You deliberately do something scummy in order to provoke him into 'OMGUS'ing you, just so you can add that to your case? It's not even an OMGUS. Any sane person would've begun voting for you at that point if they had been paying attention.

Okay. Time to poke the bear.
Wuba:How could you possibly support Dariush's ludicrous case on NUKE? Did you do it just to buddy Dariush, or is he actually your scumbuddy?

Tolyk: I can't get a read off you if you never post. You still haven't given us your stance on Nuke, and that was promised waaay back in day 1. Your late with your homework, I suggest you get some serious catch up done, hang.
Give me a wall of text to break down, and we shall see about that vote.

Now, i have something to add here, back to my own comp

[TolyK]

Tolyk: I want to see unedited and unmodified wall of text from yesterday. And something actual aside of that.

Yessir. I'll post from my (mom's) comp (where the post is) in a bit.

Why you wanted to command orangebottle if he's one of your suspects for cult leader (if i get it right..)?

I wasn't thinking about a cult, i wanted his action to target me, whatever it was (if kill - since I suck it might've been better for town than another person dieing) (if bad, then same thing as previous) (if good (if it was initially on scumpartner) then it would effect me and I might be able to do something better the next night - still weakening scum )

So the way I see it now the best plan would be that we lynch webadict today, and Simple kills Tolyk while somebody else blocks the latter in case the third cultist can protect him. And I could use the last charge of my staff of Monster detection to find out who protected him if that's the case.

One of the following things could happen:
1)Me, Simple and somebody else with a block target him. Tolyk dies. Yay.
2)Me, Simple, and the blocker target him. Tolyk survives. Either Simple or the other guy are the cultist. 50/50 chance of getting the last guy? I like those odds.
3)Me, simple, the blocker and a fourth person target him. Tolyk survives. The fourth person is the cultist. Awesome.
4)The blocker or killer get redirected. Blurgh.

Anybody have a blocking item?

This plan works, if you weren't sure I was town.

Actually, as a cult leader, TolyK is much more dangerous than wuba. If anything goes wrong with blocking him, we have two cultists against 4 townies, one of which is absent. Not so good.

If we, on the other hand, lynch him, and NK webadict, the worst that could happen is that wuba kills somebody, meaning that we have four townies against one cultist.

So basically we swap the targets around in the plan and we're good.

Question: how could several people blocking me all be stopped?

Also, one thing. Wuba came to Simple, so it could be that he culted him. And wait a minute, I don't recall any Wuba-Simple interaction. So... Wuba, disprove this maybe?

[Darvi]

This plan works, if you weren't sure I was town.

Wat.

Question: how could several people blocking me all be stopped?

Because there's not several people. Only one. More screw up our reads from monster detection because then there's more leeway for lying.

And either way I don't want to NK you. I want to lynch you now because that's safer. Webadict will be NK'd.

[Orangebottle]

here's that thing i promised:

I suspect everyone (except myself ), but most of all I suspect %%% and %%%.
Read further for reasons.

...%%% and %%% aren't players. It seems like you had an opinion when you wrote this, but you edited it so you didn't have to share them. Who were these %%%s before you removed them from your post?

Hmm… where exactly did I talk about inactive people, other than they’re just there? Anyways, I love how you try to take my posts to a wrong turn.

Saying they're there is still talking about them.

I didn’t. I said that it’s most likely you’re both townies going on each other, but didn’t say the others are impossible. Anyways, I’m still not sure between two of the alternatives.

...So, how did you come to that conclusion?

What exactly do you mean here?

What I mean is: stop shitposting. This is, defined by myself anyway, posting uselessly and generally not participating. Instead of, say, scumhunting.

HERE IT IS!

A day or two late. Gee, thanks.

[TolyK]

here's that thing i promised:

I suspect everyone (except myself ), but most of all I suspect %%% and %%%.
Read further for reasons.

...%%% and %%% aren't players. It seems like you had an opinion when you wrote this, but you edited it so you didn't have to share them. Who were these %%%s before you removed them from your post?

... fuck. That's what i get for not reading throught.

Hmm… where exactly did I talk about inactive people, other than they’re just there? Anyways, I love how you try to take my posts to a wrong turn.

Saying they're there is still talking about them.

I didn’t. I said that it’s most likely you’re both townies going on each other, but didn’t say the others are impossible. Anyways, I’m still not sure between two of the alternatives.

...So, how did you come to that conclusion?

What exactly do you mean here?

What I mean is: stop shitposting. This is, defined by myself anyway, posting uselessly and generally not participating. Instead of, say, scumhunting.

HERE IT IS!

A day or two late. Gee, thanks.

welcome. 

[Max White]

Actually, as a cult leader, TolyK is much more dangerous than wuba. If anything goes wrong with blocking him, we have two cultists against 4 townies, one of which is absent. Not so good.

Why do you feel more confident in lynching Tolyk than Wubba?

here's that thing i promised:

Is that everything?

[TolyK]

that's everything, yeah. I had other parts saved in temp-memory (from the forums/firefox) but it was like several sentences.
about the %%'s, my opinions at the time were Nuke failing miserably, Orange seeming like someone was guiding him (but not too much), wuba seemed normal tho and max was hunting. couldn't get a read from (demi-)lurkers so i just said they existed.
...
i just hate putting things up with no logic/fact to back them up, especially when someone already said it. 

[TolyK]

just a note:

this was the order i made the posts in

wuba-simple and such

here's that thing i promised:

i was sitting on two computers and forgot to post the first one first

[Darvi]

Why do you feel more confident in lynching Tolyk than Wubba?

Because TolyK is the cult leader.

I saw TolyK visit wuba N1. On day one and most of day two wuba votes for TolyK.
When there's a tie between TolyK and Dariush, wuba suddenly decides that Dariush actually does look scummy, despite having claimed before that he thought him to be scum.

So why would he change his opinion so suddenly?  Because he got converted during the night and didn't want to lynch his leader.


His behavior already seemed odd to me during D2, but there was no actual proof for a cult because Dariush may very well have been scum. However after he flipped I was pretty sure that webadict was up to no good so I swapped him and Person to keep the latter from being converted or some other kind of shenanigans the cult might have planned.

[Simple]

Webadict: Is this gem you mentioned the one from the title ? Who do you think are cult members if you're not one ?

Tolyk : Are you serious ? The whole thing you wanted to post yesterday was a big "No idea who is scum and i don't even care!" ? Because i can only see that. If you had no lead why there was no questions in the whole "wot"? Why you saying we know you're town ? Why  And are you seriously asking webadict to interact (attack ?) with me or that's a joke ? This time you really crossed the line between useless town and scum. Until i see some serious investigation and questioning i'm even willing to go with lynching you first. What you're doing is just ridiculous.

Darvi: Your plan got one loophole that bothers me : you can be blocked or converted by cultists without problem. Or we would lost if that happens anyway ?

[Darvi]

If the leader dies now then nobody can be culted, which is why I want TolyK to die now.

And if I get blocked while scanning wuba then we have to do scumhunting the old fashioned way. Sucks, but at least webadict dies.
However I think it's more likely that you gets blocked because you are going for a kill. But if that happens we can lynch webadict the next day anyway.


Another reason to kill TolyK now is so that he cannot convert Person next night, so that we can have a confirmed Townie tomorrow.

[Max White]

Because TolyK is the cult leader.

You seem pretty confident. Didn't Simple also visit him?
Wouldn't it be better to lynch Wubba, and if he flips cultist then we let Simple shoot Tolyk? If Simple is the cult leader, he can't kill and convert in the same night, so Tolyk would flip town and we would know who to lynch, or nothing would happen and we know who to lynch, or Tolyk would flip scum and we don't know who to lynch, but we would have killed the cultist before he could make a convert.

[Darvi]

Because TolyK is the cult leader.

You seem pretty confident. Didn't Simple also visit him?

No he didn't. Not during N1 at least.