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[Max White]

Unless he turns out to be townie, and Wubba is sitting back laughing at how a confirmed cult aligned got away with not being lynched. If we have blocks for Wubba, we have blocks for Tolyk.

[Darvi]

...point. However I am pretty sure that he is the cult leader and don't want to risk anything. Blocks can fail. Also he really should pay for his failure to deliver.

Person y u no claim.

[webadict]

Yea... The martyr was role blocking the people who he thought were scum. I mean you get NKed just for being in game (Take the last roguelike for example, when nobody listened to you and you were still NKed n1) and you decided that you would try to block these kills you magically foresaw, rather than let them through and hope that one hit you.

No, it doesn't check out. I think your making up bullshit.

Doesn't matter if you believe me or not. I lose either way.

And I was trying to get scum LYNCHED. Maybe you didn't notice the lack of kill the first Night? Well, I did. Either that means there is no mafia, or there is a really stupid mafia who refuses to murder. So, I have to make someone mad enough to kill me, but be pro-town enough now to get lynched.

Wait, Webadict, you want to be nightkilled?

Good news!

Unless something miraculously happens. You got a kill?

Dear. God. Finally. I'm never joining this game again. See ya on the other side!

Unless he turns out to be townie, and Wubba is sitting back laughing at how a confirmed cult aligned got away with not being lynched. If we have blocks for Wubba, we have blocks for Tolyk.

Right. That makes total sense. That means I blocked my own cult leader, AFTER I was converted. You're SO SMART!

[Darvi]

Right. That means you told us the absolute truth about your action. How brilliant of you wuba!

[Max White]

And I was trying to get scum LYNCHED. Maybe you didn't notice the lack of kill the first Night? Well, I did. Either that means there is no mafia, or there is a really stupid mafia who refuses to murder. So, I have to make someone mad enough to kill me, but be pro-town enough now to get lynched.

And, just to be cautious, if no one dies tomorrow, then

3) There is a cult.

Nobody died bro. Looks like you predicted the future, and told us what sort of scum we have.

Right. That makes total sense. That means I blocked my own cult leader, AFTER I was converted. You're SO SMART!

Maybe you didn't block him? Maybe you are the cult leader, you converted Simple n1, and then you converted Tolyk and had him make up some claim to support your story. I don't know, I'm just going off what I have seen, and my 'scroll of suck it, scum!' tells me your not a townie.

[webadict]

And I was trying to get scum LYNCHED. Maybe you didn't notice the lack of kill the first Night? Well, I did. Either that means there is no mafia, or there is a really stupid mafia who refuses to murder. So, I have to make someone mad enough to kill me, but be pro-town enough now to get lynched.

And, just to be cautious, if no one dies tomorrow, then

3) There is a cult.

Nobody died bro. Looks like you predicted the future, and told us what sort of scum we have.

Right. That makes total sense. That means I blocked my own cult leader, AFTER I was converted. You're SO SMART!

Maybe you didn't block him? Maybe you are the cult leader, you converted Simple n1, and then you converted Tolyk and had him make up some claim to support your story. I don't know, I'm just going off what I have seen, and my 'scroll of suck it, scum!' tells me your not a townie.

Right. That makes complete sense. I think you'll make detective one day.

Well, if I'm the cult leader, then I die tonight, don't I? If you think TolyK is on my side, lynch him. He's probably scum anyhow. If he flips scum, kill me. Wow, you've captured me in my own logic!

Besides that, I doubt there's a cult. If there was one, I would've been converted by now. It's more likely there's an arsonist or something. Anyhow, you keep right on guessing there, pal. Either you've already been converted anyhow and therefore know there's a cult through firsthand experience, or you really deserve the loss anyhow.

And your quote about me saying there's a cult. Brilliant. I have no idea what it is with people and assuming I'm STUPID. I'm NOT STUPID. If I were a cult, I would not bring attention to myself. That is the OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WANT TO DO.

Max, I'm done with you. I don't care. I've gotten really sick of mafia, and when you get stuck in a game as a role you THINK is going to win easily and then, guess what, no one dies first Night. No one gets attacked the first Night. Being a Martyr without a Mafia? BEST. ROLE. EVER. So, screw you, and I literally never want to play a game with you ever. There's only so much insulting comments I can take before I have no desire to play with someone who thinks I'm a complete idiot. So, if you want to think I'm dumber than a sack of bricks, then go ahead. But, I'm so far done with this it's not even funny. I can't play this game anymore. It just hurts my head too much. I'm only doing this as a favor to Toaster, and it's not worth this.

Mr.Person, anything you want before I die? I've got a Door Creation Wand, a Cantrips Wand, and a Probing Wand. I've pretty much only got a block/protect, unless you need something random out of WoC.

[Max White]

I already made detective last night, was pretty cool. If I keep grinding then next level I get to FBI agent.

Anyway, how can we be sure you die tonight if you are cult leader? What if some cultist has a protect? I don't like the risk you are presenting here.
How about instead of going with your plan that involves chain lynching an unconfirmed player first, we start with you and go from there? I think that sounds more reasonable.
Also, if you were stupid, how would you know? Maybe you are and your too stupid to notice. Sorry but I am not going to change my mind because you predicted a cult, and no cultist would mention a cult. That is just you trying to inspire some WIFOM as a last defence.

Don't think some guilt trip will save you. Emotional appeal is a weak tool at the best of times.

[Mr.Person]

Sorry Webadict, I don't rightly care if you win or not. As for having a killing object, I don't have one. I used my wand of probing to figure out Simple has a ring of warning, scroll of death, and scroll of charging. So while I'll gladly take your items, first off there's no item trading, second off it's Simple's, and third all of your meta is screaming that you're scum.

So yeah, Webadict claimed a non-town role. Logic dictates we lynch him due to the fact we can't lynch a townie and have a VERY high chance of catching scum. That's not even getting into the fact you're pretending to give up from Max White's logic. It's completely logical, the only reason you'd try to say bullshit like that is because you're scum. You're also spending WAY too much time defending yourself with shitty WIFOM arguments. I've seen you act quite similarly when I've played IRC with you while you were caught. You just start talking and talking and logic goes right out the fucking door.

There's like a 99% chance this is a cult. Why you're even pretending there's a chance of anything else baffles me, but it's also totally irrelevant. Basically what we're trying to find is a guy who acts like an sk on day 1. Finding anyone who has sudden changes in thought or behavior from one day to the next would be nice as well, but that's less relevant.

[Orangebottle]

Webadict

I'm just going to quote a gem I was given by a certain IC in a certain Mafia game.
This could easily be red.

And it's about to be.

Unvote TolyK, vote Webadict

[Simple]

Alright let's see : No kill again.I believe that cult is most obvious explanation. Assuming they didn't got blocked we're in very bad situation.I noned tonight.

Tolyk: I want to see unedited and unmodified wall of text from yesterday. And something actual aside of that.Why you wanted to command orangebottle if he's one of your suspects for cult leader (if i get it right..)?

Webadict:Why you start with saying that there's mafia if yesterday you were saying that if nobody dies it's cult ? I don't think we could be in worse situation than having cult against us and i believe it's better to be prepared against the worst ? And martyr in (probably) cult game ? I don't think roles are that random. Maybe i should ask toaster but anyway : cult can convert every third party ?

Max: <quote #352> You're awfully quick to decide to lynch first third party you know about at mylo. Don't you want to be sure it's the leader ? Also something else that i remembered : As cult leader would you target (not important how) confirmed townies ?

Mr.Person: Check if you didn't made mistake writing my items you got something mixed up there. Also thanks for telling cult who to convert next for instant win :/

Orangebottle: You suspect that webadict is the leader ? Why you think that assuming someone tells the truth is wrong ?

[Max White]

Well firstly, if we started with one cult leader and they made two successful conversions, we are in lylo, not ly-cult leader-lo, so we can afford to lynch a cultist. So honestly, I'm not sure he is the leader, and there isn't a good way to be sure, but we can find out. He could be, or he could not be. Either way the best way to figure out what happened is to lynch him.

But if he isn't, then inspects come before 'Misc', and I'm going to assume that convert goes under that, so Wubba must have been converted n1. So that leaves two people as cult leader, either yourself, or Tolyk.

Also, unless roguelike is different, cult inspects as third party. Still...
Toaster: What do cult inspect as?

[Darvi]

So the way I see it now the best plan would be that we lynch webadict today, and Simple kills Tolyk while somebody else blocks the latter in case the third cultist can protect him. And I could use the last charge of my staff of Monster detection to find out who protected him if that's the case.

One of the following things could happen:
1)Me, Simple and somebody else with a block target him. Tolyk dies. Yay.
2)Me, Simple, and the blocker target him. Tolyk survives. Either Simple or the other guy are the cultist. 50/50 chance of getting the last guy? I like those odds.
3)Me, simple, the blocker and a fourth person target him. Tolyk survives. The fourth person is the cultist. Awesome.
4)The blocker or killer get redirected. Blurgh.

Anybody have a blocking item?

[Darvi]

We got all claims? Cool.

Claims so far:
Me: Detect Monster on somebody.
Max: Inspect Person, got redirected towards webadict, result Third party. Confirmed by webadict. At least the result.
Webadict: Door creation on TolyK
Tolyk: commanded OB, got door'd
Person: Probed Simple
OB: Scroll of teleport.
Simple: None'd

Time to make my own claim:

I lied about the Detect Monster thing to keep the scum from lying.
I actually swapped Person and webadict, assuming that one of them most likely already was converted and that the cult would want to convert the other. That's what resulted in Max's redirect.

Now, if we're lucky, there is no third cultist. Either way, Mr Person is confirmed non-cult because any conversion on him would be redirected towards wuba who already was cult.
However, it's still possible for Tolyk to have converted somebody else, so I still think my plan is good.

[Darvi]

Actually, as a cult leader, TolyK is much more dangerous than wuba. If anything goes wrong with blocking him, we have two cultists against 4 townies, one of which is absent. Not so good.

If we, on the other hand, lynch him, and NK webadict, the worst that could happen is that wuba kills somebody, meaning that we have four townies against one cultist.

So basically we swap the targets around in the plan and we're good.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Darvi: 
Think0028: 
Mr.Person: 
Orangebottle:
Simple: 
Max White: 
Webadict:  Max White, Mr.Person, Orangebottle, Simple
TolyK:  Webadict, Darvi

Not Voting:  Think0028, TolyK


Day 3 will last until Thursday 9/17 at 11 PM EST.

Toaster: What do cult inspect as?

Anyone who is not Town or Mafia inspects as Third Party.