As promised, here's that WoT.
I never said it was a townie thing to do. I said it was a weak reason to vote for someone and that you could come up with much better. If you're going to try and convince people to vote for Dariush, then you're not doing it right, as I remain unconvinced. I mean, really? Am I supposed to care that he's not answering your questions? What if your questions are stupid? All I have to base your vote off of is that he's not answering your questions. To that I say, "Why does that matter to me?"
So, yes. Your reasoning is weak. It matters nothing to me. I expect more from you.
It's enough for me. Good thing my primary interest in life isn't convincing you to do as I so. Not that I'm not trying to change your vote, I'm just way more interested in figuring out your alignment. So I'm fine with you not being convinced.
So you agree that Dariush's behavior isn't that of a townie, yet you claim you're not convinced. Ok. So you agree that active lurking is scummy, yes? Good. Active lurking is an attempt to avoid answering questions and generally look useful. You also agree that Dariush is avoiding answering my questions. So how is Dariush's behavior better (less scummy) than TolyK's? I'm talking purely about Dariush's refusal to give me a straight answer, not Dariush's original reasoning. I'm trying to figure out your reasoning here and I'm not seeing it.
Err, that's a bit of an overexaggeration there. One particular part didn't seem like what an average townie would do. That does not mean that: 1) Dariush does townie things as a townie, 2) doing a few non-town things makes you non-town, or 3) I advocate for the continuation of such behavior.
As for why TolyK is more scummy than Dariush, there are several prominent reasons. The first is that TolyK is active-lurking far worse than Dariush, who is simply being stubborn about stupid things. TolyK made a note to show he was following his promise to post, and did so by posting details with no analyzing done. Dariush, on the other hand, is doing things in a roundabout stupid way. The second is that TolyK has since refused to vote for anyone, going even so far as to make sure his only vote was unvoted with the reasoning of it being a randomvote. Dariush has voted for someone. TolyK isn't even trying to come up with a vote. And the third is a continued lurking by TolyK despite being called out for several things. Dariush is at least attempting to fight back.
Also, I don't like NUKE's reasoning very much on Dariush, which has caused a negative reaction in me for Dariush's lynch. And I'm pretty sure TolyK is just waiting for someone to pounce on me in order to bandwagon.
And it really IS your job to convince people. See, if you don't convince people you're right, you won't get something done.
It is sort of like a dogsled. If there is no one leading them, they'll go nowhere. If they go in a bunch of different directions, they'll go nowhere. If you get a majority of them to go one way, then you start moving in that direction. So, yes. Your job is to convince me or listen to me, and my job is to convince you and to show you why I think your opinion is wrong.
1) He should be. I'm going to be generous here, but doing anti-town things is not acceptable since that's what the scum does. By definition. If we don't lynch Dariush for doing anti-town things, when do we lynch him? When he does pro-town things? That's stupid. Why
2) Then what does? Why is it that when Dariush does scummy things you call him a townie?
3) So what's your plan to get him to stop? Doing nothing is obviously not going to work. Barring him from future games is heavy handed and won't change the behavior, although it does get rid of the problem. Talking hasn't worked. I'm not saying we should lynch Dariush to teach him a lesson, I'm saying we should lynch Dariush for acting scummy and IF he's just a terrible townie, he'll learn a lesson.
See, those are all reasonable points. I knew you'd come up with them given enough time. Now I want you to look at Dariush's more recent posts. Look at how much content and activity there is (or isn't). You don't even have to respond, I just want you to focus on it for a little bit.
That's not a very good reason to ignore MY argument, but ok, whatever. And of course now that you've said it, TolyK isn't going to do it. Which actually might be a good thing, all things considered. Wait, why do you care if TolyK OMGUS's you?
Well I never said it wasn't my job to get the scum lynched, I'm saying I'm still scumhunting. I've tried doing both in the past, it doesn't work well. To extend out your dogsled simile, I could lead the sled, but it's difficult to lead and get to know them at the same time. It's much easier to learn about the other dogs while they're doing what they do rather than just running. Granted, I've been spending a LOT of my time with one dog (you!), but that's fine. It's not like there's a lack of good lynch targets.
I can try convincing you all I want, but after a certain point it's not worth the time. I could convince half the rest of the town before you change your vote. Hell, the only reason I'm even trying now is mostly so I can figure you out. Specifically, I'm trying to figure out why you think Dariush is town. Not somewhat scummy, not even neutral, you've not said ONCE why you think he's town. You also say you're trying to convince me why I'm wrong, but not once have you even tried to justify why Dariush's behavior is lynch worthy.
@Mr.Person: If you're going to be an idiot, then I'll treat you like one.
1. I NEVER SAID it was okay not to respond to WoTs. I said I believe Dariush is town. That doesn't make it okay not to answer things, and I won't feel bad if he continues to do it and gets lynched. But I won't be voting for him, because I don't think he's scum.
2. What is your problem? Seriously, you're putting words into my mouth. It's not cool. And you've continually done it for a while.
3. If I'm advocating not answering, then you're advocating activelurking, sidelining, and passiveness.
4. Stop policy lynching as an excuse to not scumhunt.
1. But the behavior is anti-town. Why would a townie perform anti-town behavior? This isn't even Dariush's meta, unless you can bring up a game where Dariush did this exact behavior. Being stupid in general doesn't count since this is new ground. You can try to infer what Dariush might do (in fact, if you can, please try), but it's not the same.
2. You've said that anti-town players should be lynched. I REMEMBER you saying that in old Paranormals. I'm trying to figure out why you think Dariush's behavior is town behavior. It's scummy behavior and you keep saying it's not. To be honest, you're confusing the fuck out of me.
3. Not really. TolyK is pretty scummy too. I just think refusing to answer questions is scummier than not asking any since the former is actively scummy while the latter is passive scumminess. This might shock you, but you have made a good case on TolyK. I just can't figure out why you think my case on Dariush is terribad.
4. So lynching people for doing scummy things is a policy lynch? Yes, I have a policy of lynching scummy people, but that's not what you're talking about, is it?
Do you believe you have Dariush's alignment?
I wouldn't be voting this far past RVS if I didn't. Yes, he's scum.
Before anybody even thinks about it, yes I will answer Webadict's WoT. In a little bit, I don't really have time at the moment. Later today.
Congratulations. Are you done? Um... let me guess... you're still going to throw a temper tantrum? Go ahead and smash your head on the floor. I literally could care less.
You've done nothing to try and prove Dariush is scummier than TolyK, and I have shown in many ways why TolyK is a better lynch, and your response has been to act like a child.
Why so uncharacteristically insane, Mr.Person?
No, I don't generally throw temper tantrums in mafia. I don't think you do either, but I dunno lol.
I can't prove you wrong about Dariush being scummier until you explain why you don't think he's scummy. But in any case, the whole point of this has never been to convince you to vote Dariush, it's been to figure out why you're not voting Dariush and instead voting TolyK. So excuse me if I'm not bringing in reasons til the cows come home because I was under the impression you would be all over Dariush's shit for his shit. You've shown pretty well why TolyK is scummy, sure, but you've not once shown why Dariush isn't scummy.
If you're talking about why I did what I'm accusing Dariush of doing that's scummy (not answering questions as a tactic), I did it, well, to see what you'd do. I couldn't say right then I would answer because that of made it less "real" in a sense. Mostly though, I just wanted to show you that this is the bullshit Dariush has done. I wanted you to see for yourself what this bullshit is. Hell, look at how pissed off you are at ME for doing this behavior. Now why aren't you exactly as pissed at Dariush for doing this, not answering the questions afterward, and not even apologizing for it?
Which reminds me, sorry I had to do that, Webadict. If I didn't think it would reveal your alignment (and if you were easier to read, but that's my fault too), I wouldn't of even thought about it.
You misread those posts entirely. I said that he is distracting others from their hunting, and I am trying to remove him because that is incredibly anti-town. From here onward, all Max, Person, and I are posting is "NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE" and maybe a bit of defense here and there.
I just want to point out that while I can't speak for you or Max, I've been doing a fairly good job of ignoring NUKE and spending all my time and energy on Webadict and a little bit for Dariush.
Before anybody even thinks about it, yes I will answer Webadict's WoT. In a little bit, I don't really have time at the moment. Later today.
I'm sort of getting tired of people promising to be active, but never doing it. Don't tell me your going to do something, just do something.
This goes for everybody, in every game, ever. Too many people saying they will be active, rather than being active.
If you can't post, then why are you posting to say you can't post?
I didn't want Webadict or anybody else to think I wasn't going to answer his questions. I also had maybe a minute before I had to go. I thought I would get a chance to post later in the day. Sadly, I didn't, but I can't exactly predict the future with certainty. But that's ok, I'm still within the 34 posting rules and have been keeping pretty active. If you disagree, well, all you have to do is say so. All that being said, I can understand if you're pissed about this. I know I would be. I just want to remind you that I've been posting pretty frequently outside of this one occurance.
...This suggests that he is probably town, as the average scum player has little reason to try to save a townie. From the fact that he doesn't bother looking up your opinions himself, I surmise that whilst he doesn't want to see me lynched, he also doesn't have the guts to actually play the game at an active level. This could also mean that his calling it idiotic rage lynching is reverse bussing (there must be some word for that) in that he is pretending to be opposed to my lynch whilst not actually doing anything about it. However, I go with the simpler explanation that he is just a less active player.
What? It's quite common for scum to weakly oppose a townie's lynch. Afterwards they can say "Ha ha, I was right and you were wrong!". It's an attempt to buy points with the town. Or generally be useless since the lynch is already away from other scum. In fact, I find it weird that you say the guy defending you is probably town since you actively point out how passive and stupid the defense is. So why exactly do you think Simple and somebody else aren't simply riding your lynch into passive-land?
He's doing this on purpose, to somehow prove doing nothing is scummy, though, I am actually just waiting for him to be modkilled, as that works for me. Even better is asking for a prod on Mr.Person. I don't care if it's been only a day or so. If he wants to prove a point, he needs to use words. Like a big boy.
Riiiight. And what evidence do you have I'm not here on purpose? I want you to think about this. Why would I disappear like that? If I was scum, that would be really, really stupid. Now I want you to look at the timestamps of my post. I'll be generous, let's go ahead and say my "more later" post doesn't count. I posted on the 31st at about 1:30pm. You demanded a prod for me at 9pm on the 1st. That's about 34 hours right there. A prod, that's just barely under the mod's time limit. I can see why you might call for one preemputively. A modkill? lolno. Remember, that's ignoring my "more later" post. If Toaster doesn't, I still have another 5 hours or so. And by the way, I haven't gotten a prod. So you're full of hot air.
You need to calm the fuck down and realize the world doesn't revolve around you and/or the mafia game(s) you're in. Sometimes, real life gets between silly internet games. Sorry if that pisses you off, but I don't give a shit if you're gettin' mad because I sometimes can't wait on you hand and foot.
Shucks. Only 9 more hours to go.
And what exactly are you getting done in those 9 hours?
Fair warning, I probably won't be able to get back on before the day ends. Sorry, friends.
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