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Author Topic: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.  (Read 9287 times)

franti

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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2011, 12:23:27 pm »

Iron can't penetrate Steel, Bronze can't penetrate Iron, etc. This is incredibly unrealistic: the force applied to the metal matters more than the metal itself. BUT, that's how it is in the game world.
A dwarf in full Steel Plate + Chain VS a dwarf in full Masterwork Iron Plate + Chain would result, eventually, in either a Steel victory or the Iron dwarf strangling the Steel dwarf.
Now, against organic tissue, I'd go with the Masterwork Iron weapon. And seeing as how, as a Dwarf, you mostly fight unarmoured things, the Masterwork is better.
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2011, 12:43:25 pm »

Boatsmurdered alone has taught me that Demons are not the only race in the entire game that can completely, and totally, devastate a Fortress with 'Fun.'
Nor does Adamantine relate to fun nearly as much as, say..Digging through Warm Rock.

Just because your forum account is a new one, doesn't mean it's so ridiculously obvious that ANYONE should know it. It really is that random, when you think about the sheer amount of materials/animals/paths/techniques/methods/moods/seasons/races/liquids/gases that can get you into 'fun.'
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2011, 12:46:53 pm »

The point of calling them "clowns", "candy" and the like are to avoid giving the secret away to people who don't already know. Because it's more ‼fun‼ that way, or so I've been told. (I was spoiled before I could even build a functional fort, but then, I'm not very careful with spoilers.)
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Eddren

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2011, 12:51:00 pm »

If you're looking to avoid spoilers..
..Don't visit the Forums that have anything to do with gameplay.
Too much of a risk of it.
And honestly, complaining about spoilers is like complaining about a friend giving you an explanation on how the game mechanics work, what kind of things you should avoid, and why.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2011, 02:25:24 pm »

a friend giving you an explanation on how the game mechanics work, what kind of things you should avoid, and why.

I initially read that as you should avoid learning the game mechanics. Its more fun that way. lol
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2011, 06:27:31 pm »

Actually, that would be interesting..Just setting a friend up in front of a laptop, opening up Dwarf Fortress, and letting 'em figure it out.
All the while, snickering as they try to pass the enormous learning-curve.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2011, 07:04:46 pm »

because you spoiled yourself. =)

i flipped when i found cotton candy. i almost died of fun when i found the good ol' big top.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2011, 07:58:06 pm »

Actually, that would be interesting..Just setting a friend up in front of a laptop, opening up Dwarf Fortress, and letting 'em figure it out.
All the while, snickering as they try to pass the enormous learning-curve.
The only person I ever tried to introduce to DF went back to Call of Duty after barely starting a fort, and I tried to help him understand it. I doubt someone with NO help could do ANYTHING.
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2011, 08:06:03 pm »

Eddren:
1. Random =/= arbitrary, unrelated, unconnected, or any of the other words you have substituted it for.
2. Terms like "cotton candy" aren't new by any means, and none of them are hard to connect to their in-game counterpart.
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 08:36:39 pm »

Iron can't penetrate Steel, Bronze can't penetrate Iron, etc.
Were do you get this from?  My understanding of the game mechanics is that Iron has less of a chance of penetrating Steel, but still has a chance of doing so.  My copper spear equipped dwarves did wonderfully against iron armored goblins in one of my forts (no iron, hadn't "imported" much goblinite ... yet :) ).
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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2011, 08:42:11 pm »

It depends on the weapon as well. Spears have a small contact area, and a large penetration, so they are more likely to penetrate armor.

Plus goblins come with only a shield, breastplate, and a helmet. So chances are you're going to stab elsewhere.
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2011, 08:47:00 pm »

Actually, that would be interesting..Just setting a friend up in front of a laptop, opening up Dwarf Fortress, and letting 'em figure it out.
All the while, snickering as they try to pass the enormous learning-curve.
The only person I ever tried to introduce to DF went back to Call of Duty after barely starting a fort, and I tried to help him understand it. I doubt someone with NO help could do ANYTHING.
By the time I figured out there was a forum or a wiki, I had gotten a Duke.
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2011, 08:47:33 pm »

It depends on the weapon as well. Spears have a small contact area, and a large penetration, so they are more likely to penetrate armor.

Plus goblins come with only a shield, breastplate, and a helmet. So chances are you're going to stab elsewhere.
I was hitting lungs, as well as severing hands, feet and (elven) noses. :)
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Re: Masterwork iron vs basic steel armor and weapons.
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2011, 10:00:57 pm »

Actually, that would be interesting..Just setting a friend up in front of a laptop, opening up Dwarf Fortress, and letting 'em figure it out.
All the while, snickering as they try to pass the enormous learning-curve.
The only person I ever tried to introduce to DF went back to Call of Duty after barely starting a fort, and I tried to help him understand it. I doubt someone with NO help could do ANYTHING.
By the time I figured out there was a forum or a wiki, I had gotten a Duke.

Are you by any chance an Elder God?
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2011, 10:16:48 pm »

Actually, now that I think of it, I did do that once..
And surprisingly, they managed to have fun while doing absolutely NOTHING useful.
They somehow managed to turn 'messing around with the look tool' into a form of minigame.

Huh.

Anyway, in reply to those saying that Random is not the same as several other adjectives I could have used:
I DID look it up, online, actually.
Definition ONE:
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern

Calling a creature a 'clown,' instead of just saying 'DEMON' is random.
EVENTUALLY, they'd have found out about the Demons. All you have to do is dig downwards for a while. It's not like it was some extremely obscure reference, to an object which is practically impossible to find. It's, like, a few Z-levels below the Magma-Sea which most people will find themselves using for their Magma-Forges.

So, instead of giving them RANDOM (Note I said Random, not something else,) names, let's stick to least amount of confusion and call them what they are:
Demons, Adamantine, Hell, Adamantine Tubes, and Glowing Pits.

I mean, come on. If you're that worried about spoilers, there's plenty of other ways of saying it, that make sense.
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