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« Reply #360 on: February 10, 2012, 04:22:27 pm »

Personally I sold the reserves I got early on for echos, and regretted it quite a few times as I could never find a good source of them that matched up to my stat level after the early game.

I would keep them, but if something really needs romantic notions and you have no way of getting them then you might want to trade them anyways,
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« Reply #361 on: February 10, 2012, 04:25:36 pm »

You get about 105 notions for 500 honey, and I have 1100 stockpiled right now. I'm just going to keep robbing the honey den until I lose the option, only at like 40 shadowy right now.

I was just checking to see if I'd pawn half them off and then find out I needed a few thousand :P
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« Reply #362 on: February 10, 2012, 04:52:04 pm »

You get about 105 notions for 500 honey, and I have 1100 stockpiled right now. I'm just going to keep robbing the honey den until I lose the option, only at like 40 shadowy right now.

I was just checking to see if I'd pawn half them off and then find out I needed a few thousand :P
Well not a few thousand as such the single largest consumer of honey that I have had was part of a ambition for 1400 honey, which at 20 honey a action (plus some other random stuff) takes 70 actions to complete.
You can grind it, but I haven't seen a reliable source (eg. doesn't use your connections up and isn't a card) above 20 honey before you become a person of some importance (although there probably is one).
I would recommend stockpiling it, but that's just me.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 05:01:36 pm by lemon10 »
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« Reply #363 on: February 10, 2012, 04:54:23 pm »

I'll probably do so then, I've no immediate need for Romantic Notions and I already have 105 of them in any case.
Robbing the honey den will probably get me another thousand or two before I'm locked out of that option anyway.
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« Reply #364 on: February 12, 2012, 11:24:57 pm »

Got my watchful up to base 100, now working on dangerous, my lowest stat.  Also, trying to save up for a house in the bazaar, which costs 80,000 whispered secrets for the lease.  These days I only get cryptic clues, which I don't want to dilute into whispered secrets in case I need them.  That means buying whispered secrets with echos... which is astronomically expensive.  And I just spent around 300 echos on rats for a storylet.  Ah Echo Bazaar, how you befuddle me >:I

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« Reply #365 on: February 13, 2012, 08:17:44 am »

Yarr, I'm back, feel free to start spamming me with invites again!
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« Reply #366 on: February 13, 2012, 10:05:55 am »

Woot woot.

Anyways, only got Persuasive left to get up to 100 before I'm a person of some important...

Stupid persuasive... MY other skills vary from 90 to 105 (before item mods) but my persuasive is around... 40?

This is gonna take a while... Anyone know the best way to grind Persuasive? Are those influence hand ins worth it, for example?
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« Reply #367 on: February 13, 2012, 11:57:15 am »

Woot woot.

Anyways, only got Persuasive left to get up to 100 before I'm a person of some important...

Stupid persuasive... MY other skills vary from 90 to 105 (before item mods) but my persuasive is around... 40?

This is gonna take a while... Anyone know the best way to grind Persuasive? Are those influence hand ins worth it, for example?
I don't think the influence hand ins (above the very lowest cost level) are worth it.
The best way is to simply do persuasive challenges while they are at high risk/chancy (not sure about chancy though). Ideally if you can do persuasive challenges that don't increase your scandal, thats best, but I am not sure if there are any of those above ~33 (or with the negative items you can get to about 55 or so).
If you can't find any high-risk challenges that don't increase scandal, then you will have to use a lot of confident smiles (or a lot of scandal reducing things).
And even once you get to all 100, it will still take quite a long time to get to become a person of some importantance.
Got my watchful up to base 100, now working on dangerous, my lowest stat.  Also, trying to save up for a house in the bazaar, which costs 80,000 whispered secrets for the lease.  These days I only get cryptic clues, which I don't want to dilute into whispered secrets in case I need them.  That means buying whispered secrets with echos... which is astronomically expensive.  And I just spent around 300 echos on rats for a storylet.  Ah Echo Bazaar, how you befuddle me >:I
That's a terrible idea, at 800 echos, a house is, in my opinion not really worth it until you have got pretty much everything else (since it is the equivalent of two +4 items).
But at 1600 echos it is even less worth it (its probably worth all the +2, and a few +4 items).
There are many good sources of secrets around 100 stats, but if you can't find one, then wait.

People seem to be grinding for echos, and for what it's worth, unless your highest stat is 110 or above (with items), or you are close to a good item and want to get it fast/unlocking a new area, then grinding is almost always a bad idea.
If you use 200 actions and you are grinding using a 75 stat you can either get (~150 echos and +4 to a stat at straightforward) or (~45(?) echos and +12 to a stat at high risk), less once you factor in the amount of second chance's required to stop you from gaining menace).
150 echos is just over the cost for a +3 stat item, so you get about +7 to a stat overall if you are echo grinding, and you get +12 to a stat from stat grinding.
Also, the longer you wait to echo grind (and you will have to at some point), the larger the gains (which max out at about 115 or so at 110, excluding the person of some importance choices (since I have no clue what the max for those are).
Keep in mind you will need to grinding to get all your stats to 100 to become a person of some importance, and then get your stats to 125 to be able to do the person of some importance storylets that allow you to get some of the endgame content at lower costs, so if you grind echos, it will take you about two-three times as long to become a person of some importance, and while you will have better items when you do get to the same point, you will never be able to catch up.

Most importantly, I finally got a ship.  ;D
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« Reply #368 on: February 13, 2012, 12:01:09 pm »

Though really, does gaining scandal even matter? I finally got sent to the Tomb Colonies (oops, forget about those red stockings) and it took my like 10 actions to get back or something? Wasn't really that bad.

Mind you, second chance items are still probably more efficient than eating the scandal, though I've found at least a couple persuasive challenges at almost every range I've seen so far that don't cause scandal loss (After I trade in my society for whatever that gets you at court, I'll probably start spamming the one that causes you to lose that, since it seems so incredibly easy to get back - by spamming it some more, except with second chance items! Heh)
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« Reply #369 on: February 13, 2012, 12:13:58 pm »

I have been to prison (intentionally) and the tomb colonies (unintentionally).
I haven't been dead or insane (which I have avoided with all possible effort due to the disastrous consequences).
Though really, does gaining scandal even matter? I finally got sent to the Tomb Colonies (oops, forget about those red stockings) and it took my like 10 actions to get back or something? Wasn't really that bad.
It's not that bad (although it is the easiest to reduce), but it is far worse then using second chance items or reducing it outside of the tomb colonies.
Mind you, second chance items are still probably more efficient than eating the scandal, though I've found at least a couple persuasive challenges at almost every range I've seen so far that don't cause scandal loss (After I trade in my society for whatever that gets you at court, I'll probably start spamming the one that causes you to lose that, since it seems so incredibly easy to get back - by spamming it some more, except with second chance items! Heh)
Generally everything up to ~33 (or 55 with negative items) is menace free, sometimes a single option at ~53 as well (or up to 75), but past that you usually need to use a ton of second chances(although there might be one or two options at higher levels that are menace free), or a ton of reductions (scandal has a good one that removes all your scandal in return for some of your admired).

Also, is anyone in stage 1 of the Tournament of Lilies and willing to engage my plant in single combat?
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« Reply #370 on: February 13, 2012, 12:51:57 pm »

I'm SO CLOSE you don't even know. Last bit seems to be taking forever though.
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« Reply #371 on: February 13, 2012, 12:58:42 pm »

Being dead is very annoying, it's what prompted me to make my new character.

My wounds quality was at about 30 when I died though.
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« Reply #372 on: February 13, 2012, 01:14:08 pm »

What!? HOW?
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« Reply #373 on: February 13, 2012, 01:32:33 pm »

I think it was something to do with shroom-racing.
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« Reply #374 on: February 13, 2012, 01:33:00 pm »

Shroom hopping, it costs fate so you can get as wounded as you like.
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