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[Flying Dice]

The community patches are really the very least you should use. You can argue against everything else, but I doubt you can argue against simple bugfixes.

What bugs? Admittedly I've only played for about 120 hours total, but I haven't run into any at all. Honestly, the game's not bad without mods. I don't understand all the fuss.

http://www.iguanadons.net/Unofficial%20Skyrim%20Patch%20Version%20History.html

That's the changelog for the Community Patch. Note that all of that consists solely of fixes for vanilla bugs and glitches, not improvements to shitty design or quality of life changes. A decent amount of it is fixes for questbreakers that you won't see until they've fucked up your playthrough.

[miauw62]

The community patches are really the very least you should use. You can argue against everything else, but I doubt you can argue against simple bugfixes.

What bugs? Admittedly I've only played for about 120 hours total, but I haven't run into any at all. Honestly, the game's not bad without mods. I don't understand all the fuss.

I'm not saying the game is bad without mods (it's a fairly solid game without them), but less bugs is always good, no?  If you haven't encountered any bugs, you could keep it that way

Also I'd recommend SkyUI because it's much easier to navigate than the default menu, which is made for consoles.

[umiman]

It's like someone visiting Amsterdam for the first time. Bought the plane ticket. Paid the cab ride to the red light district. Thousands of choices.

Then they just go into the very first store they see and ignore all the others.

Of course, it's entirely the right of the tourist to go into the very first store they see and ignore all the others. He can surely come back next time and browse around. But it won't stop all of us from chuckling at him.

[Rex_Nex]

I'm not sure what you're talking about umi, but you sound like you know its relevant so I'm agreeing with you. Red light district, skyrim, mammoths, tourists. It all ties together.

[umiman]

I don't see how it's hard to understand. It's like when you're relaxing on a sauna bed in Tampa and the cops come asking if you're selling dope. Of course you're just going to pretend you're a Mexican and don't know anything about dope and you'll make sure not to spill the beans on any illegal activities you may or may not be participating in.

What I'm getting at is that you gotta play Skyrim like you cut a tree.

[Rez]

I should hit my computer with an axe if I want to have fun with skyrim?

[Ibid Straydrink]

But really, this game is pretty poor without mods.

[miauw62]

Miauw, unlike you, apparently, I like watching intercontinental ballistic mammoths.

Giants sending you into the stratosphere is considered a feature, if that's what you mean

[Astral]

Most Bethesda games to date are at least worth a play-through unmodded, but the real potential comes out when you start modding the hell out of it.

Getting a deeper, more challenging experience without simply making the game numerically more difficult (a la the Novice-Master slider) is more fun. Removing spellcrafting was a big issue for me on the occasion I felt like playing a mage, and I was very limited in the choices of spells I could do for any one skill tree, but new spells (and a fairly recent mod that adds in spellcrafting) remedy that. Vanilla sneaking was overpowered; someone made some better AI for making stealth aligned characters not able to turn enemies into pincushions with impunity. There's a mod for just about anything you can think of, tweaking, improving or adding entirely new features.

Of course, they can't make the base game like that for the wider audience, as AAA games these days are meant to appeal to the greatest common denominator. I will remain a Bethesda fan, but only for those games which come out for the glorious PC master race. Except Elder Scrolls Online. That game is a blatant money grab that tarnishes the lore set forth so far.

[BFEL]

but less bugs is always good, no?

I literally haven't downloaded the Unofficial Patch simply because it changes one bug I particularly like (the Avanchenzel perk thing giving its armor bonus to all armor, if you're curious)

Oh, and there are plenty of games that have literally been DEFINED by their bugs, see: Any Fighting Game Ever, because combos? Combos were a bug once.

[miauw62]

I just mentioned giants sending you into the stratosphere which was originally a bug too. If you like abusing exploits then I guess you'll have to deal with questbreakers.

[miauw62]

I doubt that is fixed by the patches, actually. Physics weirdness is rather hard to fix.

[Mr. Strange]

Say, what difficulty to y'all play on? I'm on Adept right now, and I'm beginning to oneshot most enemies except for dragons, but also getting the piss beat out of me if anyone manages to actually hit me because I still only have 100 base health, and I'm considering bumping it up.

Dark Souls.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My base Skyrim is at Legendary (if that even maters after all this), Immersive Creatures is at Master, Deadly Dragons is at Expert (modified for harder) and Deadly Monsters gives all enemies +20% damage (except undead, they're so weak they get 25% and same for stats), and then I got Duel for more challenging combat, Skyrim Scaling Stopper to keep those fights interesting, Apocalypse Spell Pack for more magic, Sneak Tools and Stealth Skills Rebalanced to fix stealth to my liking and Frostfall and Realistic needs for immersion...
There's lot more but these make the biggest changes to vanilla game, and make it a bit harder.

Typical game goes like this:
Levels 1-15: Hunt deer and wolfs for food and pelts (need them warm tents and clothes!), and mudcrabs when I need drinking water (Character Creation Overhaul speeds this phase up a lot).
Levels 15-25: Wandering around Skyrim, looting easy places and trying to find bargains for usefull magic items (very rare now). Slow phase.
Levels 25-35: Simple quests, gathering followers, surviving the Pale, bandit camps, etc. Get rich really fast.
Levels 35-45: Demanding quests (daedric, Civil War), clearing dungeons, building your own fort/stronghold...
Levels 45-65: Dragons.
Levels 65-??: Dunno, too busy with the dragons.

My current character is Orc Warrior (all melee, bows, enchanting and smithing, no spells or scrolls) at level 33 with 3 named orc followers, all are wearing self made orcish armor and weapons (legendary+enchantments), and I'm using my ebony battle axe (legendary + absorb health) I got from raiding Bonestrewn Crest early, we're the only survivors of 13 orcs I gathered for that attack. Currently making my own orc stronghold in Whiterun hold, at the base of that mountain behind Fort Greymoor. Health and stamina are around 300 (counting enchantment bonuses) and I need all of it, at least untill I get some more horses...

Nexus doesn't require subscribtion for small mods, anything bigger than 2mb will need that free account. Plenty of good stuff smaller than that.

[Vorthon]

Miauw, unlike you, apparently, I like watching intercontinental ballistic mammoths.

Giants sending you into the stratosphere is considered a feature, if that's what you mean

I mean ICBMs.

The one I told you about where the physics engine decided a mammoth needed to spontaneously fly like a brick launched up a relative velocities.

I need a link to a clip of this. For reasons.

[SalmonGod]

So has anybody brought M&B style melee combat into Skyrim, yet?