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[WillowLuman]

I'd ask what DA of FA means, but I think I'm better off not knowing.

One is DeviantART, the other is [BRAIN BLEACHED].

[Putnam]

Also, something about the much earlier conversation about canonicity:

http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/18uuw0/but_mk_doesnt_have_anything_to_do_with_bethesda

[WillowLuman]

I didn't make the argument that his forum RP's aren't canon because he's not an employee, I made the argument that his forum RP's probably aren't canon because they're not acknowledged in the game. Nor those of any actual employees. And some references to the community or online stuff even in the games isn't strictly canon either, because it could be easter eggs.

[Soadreqm]

I'd ask what DA of FA means, but I think I'm better off not knowing.

One is DeviantART, the other is [BRAIN BLEACHED].

Furaffinity. And since HugoLuman neglected to link it, DeviantArt. The latter is a place where people can post their art to be viewed and commented on by other people, while the former is the same except ALL FURRIES ALL THE TIME. As is often the case with open communities with no entry requirements, a lot of the artists are rubbish. The sites have also developed a certain reputation for smut, on account of not kicking people out, as a more conservative forum might, when they start posting pictures of naked lizard people. And the Google spiders have seen it all, and are happy to share it with you if you don't have SafeSearch on.

Always remember, children, that the Internet is a VILE place that will PERMANENTLY CORRUPT you if you as much as look at it.

I didn't make the argument that his forum RP's aren't canon because he's not an employee, I made the argument that his forum RP's probably aren't canon because they're not acknowledged in the game. Nor those of any actual employees. And some references to the community or online stuff even in the games isn't strictly canon either, because it could be easter eggs.

Oh, so not only is anything not featured in the games non-canon, but some thing that ARE featured in the games are STILL non-canon? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, HUGOLUMAN.

[rausm]

Always remember, children, that the Internet is a VILE place that will PERMANENTLY CORRUPT you if you as much as look at it.

Probably a joke, but sadly this train of thought / argumentation is often recieved as valid, therefore my comment:

Funny, i see it more like: Unless you learn/know the world for what it really is (preferably sooner than later), you might arrive to the conclusion the unrestricted view of reality will somehow corrupt those "pure" souls.

Where pure should be read as ignorant / misinformed / naive / cloistered.

Parents denying their children access to information on the premise that "they are not ready" accomplish only one thing: that their kids will "never be ready" (or at least it will take them longer and will hurt more them to "correct" their illusion of "reality" and _accept it_).

Generation after generation, those who had been hurt by their parents "protection" (manipulative overprotectiveness) unknowingly inflict the same curse upon their offspring in a never-ending cycle.

[Vattic]

rausm: my parents decided that if I was ready to ask about something I was ready to know. I think this was a decent way of doing things. At the same time I don't see any problem with certain things being blocked from young people when online. A friend of mine wanted his niece to have internet access from a young age, but made it so she wouldn't stumble upon certain things. Often when discussing more difficult subjects with young people it takes tact and understanding, but websites are often lacking in this because are aimed at a more mature audience.

My friends niece was still around the middle single digits at the time and I wouldn't support blocking content much beyond.

[rausm]

rausm: my parents decided that if I was ready to ask about something I was ready to know.

Exactly.

A friend of mine wanted his niece to have internet access from a young age, but made it so she wouldn't stumble upon certain things. Often when discussing more difficult subjects with young people it takes tact and understanding, but websites are often lacking in this because are aimed at a more mature audience.

Here I'd rather be prepared to provide context than fool myself into believing the filters will work. (I wouldn't expect even 80% success in blocking which completely useless if you want to shield somebody from knowledge of something. Which I don't.

I know it probably "takes major balls" to talk to your [for example] 4yo about sex (most people cringe just from the thought, so they would never be prepared if it really happened), but it's doable. I don't have children of my own yet, but I've had some time to think about how I'd like to raise them, study the usual wrongdoings and misconceptions, and great "practice" was that my second sister is 20 years younger.

Since our parents never considered her as "just smaller but really smart and curious human being", they were never much into explaining, they took the "commanding officer" approach. I took the time to explain and put things into context, and was really surprised that i didn't get as much of those "WHY ?" questions (of course, i included lot of the the why's in my explanation).

One [in this context] "interesting" case was "children masturbation". A lot of children discover that touching some places feels good, and unless it's compensatory behavior for some kind of negative stimuli (look it up if interested, it's too long already ;-) its perfectly normal and healthy. The only problematic aspect is that the child will masturbate anywhere and the society (even his parents, most of the time  ) is not ready for it. Our parents used to yell at her to stop, I asked them if they ever tried to explain it to her, and "OF COURSE WE DID, SHE JUST _WON'T_ LISTEN !".

Well, i know how uncomfortable subject this must have been for them (my mother has had her prudishness instilled in her by her parents as i learned once from a tearful outburst when i asked her if she knew she was over-reacting), so i was kinda skeptic, but let it slide for the time being. Day or two afterwards we went for a stroll, no-one around to interrupt and frown, so i asked whether she knew why our parents were yelling at that time. She repeated a few vague phrases, but didn't really know.

Perhaps you would consider it pointless to discuss concepts of taboos and shame (and how it can be more of a burden than help) with 4 and half year old, but basically from then on there never again was the "problem" of her playing with herself at inappropriate time or location.


One of my friends said: When I learned how to read, my parents said: take any book from the book-case you want (knowing well that there were some books considered "inappropriate for children" - such as Burroughs' works). I think that this is one of the reasons why he is not only good, understanding person but one of the few thinking, non-dogmatic Christians i know, who believe to make themselves better, not pretend to believe to make themselves feel better.

Or in the words of Terry Prattchet's Rincewind: "I think that the best you can do for people is to build a great library and leave the doors open".

Knowledge never hurts [as much] [in the end]. Ignorance does.

PS: Sorry for OT posts, but shedding the shackles of our past is IMO the only way to have a better future.

[alexandertnt]

I mostly agree with you, and think that anything related to sex is turned into an extreme taboo, because apparently it damages children somehow because.

But im not going to disagree with a parent that turns on safe search. Remember on the internet there is a disproportionate ammount of pretty messed up images (sex-related or otherwise) partially because it is taboo. At the very least it makes completing assignments harder

[Folly]

Or in the words of Terry Prattchet's Rincewind: "I think that the best you can do for people is to build a great library and leave the doors open".

Knowledge never hurts [as much] [in the end]. Ignorance does.

There is certainly some wisdom in this. Unfortunately this concept kind of falls apart when you take into account the overwhelming diversity of the human race. What is enlightening to one person may be devastating to another, and completely meaningless to a third person. My singular maxim when attempting to make sense of this infinite world we live in, is that nothing will ever be absolute.

I think that the best you can do for people, is to try to understand their individual needs, free of preconceptions.

[Sensei]

Come on Internet, is there a topic that you can NOT turn towards talking about masturbating?

[MaximumZero]

Come on Internet, is there a topic that you can NOT turn towards talking about masturbating?

Pffffff.

[Furtuka]

Or at least take it to the progressive thread where it will be more on topic?

[WillowLuman]

Come on Internet, is there a topic that you can NOT turn towards talking about masturbating?

"So, Jim, how's the weather today?"

"I hump my electrical sockets."

"..."

"..."


Anyway, now that there's no more DLC coming along, this would be a good time to start work on a TCM, seeing as there'd be no new engine stuff to have to go rework things for, and no having to waste time on features that there might be an official release for.

[Devling]

Or at least take it to the progressive thread where it will be more on topic?

I see what you did there.

[Furtuka]

Or at least take it to the progressive thread where it will be more on topic?

I see what you did there.

._. I did not mean it in that way