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[Shadowlord]

I was expecting a F:NV-like solution, myself, where you'd kill an NPC and you'd see FAILED: SOME QUEST THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE YET pop up. Preferably, with them set up so that only the player could kill them, and anyone else would just KO them temporarily.

[Criptfeind]

That fighting after surrendering bugs me quite a bit.

I want to be able to leave people alive. And it does not make leveling up easier or whatever other excuses they could use because of the skill system.

[NobodyPro]

You know that face palm moments thread on the upper boards?

I just had one of them, you know horses?  You know the sprint button?  You can combine the two.

I now care to use my horse now and then.

Wait... damn!

Got the game going after owning it for two weeks. Rode a horse off a cliff, onto somebody else who was riding their horse. I was the only survivor.
First Impressions: ALL AWESOME EXCEPT THE DAMN MENUS! Caps is necassary when talking about this game.

Ninja comment:

I was expecting a F:NV-like solution, myself, where you'd kill an NPC and you'd see FAILED: SOME QUEST THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE YET pop up. Preferably, with them set up so that only the player could kill them, and anyone else would just KO them temporarily.

This is one of the reasons I prefered New Vegas to Fallout 3.

[alway]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The prisoner is something of an avatar as Talos, the Blades (unabashed heroes) are servants of Talos. Plus the game is set in Skyrim. Explanation in next spoiler; actual spoilers involved, though all of it should be known by about 2/3 of the way through the main story line.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I wouldn't call the Blades unabashed heroes. They have their nasty side too.

Spoiler: Actual spoilers; playing to about 2/3 completion of main storyline advised to avoid spoiling (click to show/hide)

They really hate the Greybeards and have something of a seemingly long term grudge running against them since the Greybeards are non-interventionist. This despite the obvious fact that 4 old men wouldn't be of much use no matter how loud they can shout and that their real power comes from the influence they gained from just such non-interventionist policies. Furthermore, even after you defeat Alduin, they want you to kill Parthurnaax. Parthurnaax; the dragon largely responsible for the banishing of Alduin the first time and the freeing of humans. Parthurnaax; the dragon without whom the main quest defeat of Alduin probably wouldn't have happened. And the same dragon who invented The Way of the Voice in order to tame the destructive nature of dragons, allowing him to live peacefully with humans for something like a thousand years, and whose method may well in time persuade others of his race that peaceful coexistence is possible. But no, he has to die because he is a dragon, and until you kill him, we will refuse to speak to you. The Blades are hardly heroic, seeing as they are advocating genocide of a sentient, intelligent species whom they deem dangerous, even going so far as to single out the single dragon who may in the future be responsible for the peaceful coexistence of the species with others. To me at least, the Blades come off more like well intentioned villains by the end.

[Trapezohedron]

I kinda wished the Civil War quest line allowed you to rule or free Skyrim from both Stormcloaks and Imperials, but alas, they didn't want that, or put that in.

Makes me sad that I wanted to join the Stormcloaks, since they're not fully evil, but they're absolutely brutal, and you had to do something that made you feel like a jerk for them, in order to proceed.

D:

[Bdthemag]

If only Bethesda knew how to write a good story, like Obsidian.

[Azkanan]

Big question...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After killing Ulfric Stormcloak... Was that it? Either it was an extremely unimpressive end-game event (We killed him! Everybody go home), or I missed something thereafter.

Anybody able to tell me that Bethesda DIDN'T have the lamest end-event ever? That I missed something I'm supposed to do after this?

I've also completed the Dragon Quest, killed the boss Dragon (once and for all) and there are still dragons everywhere... In fact, they seem to pop up every time I friggin fast travel, and they're far too easy to despatch any more...

[Trapezohedron]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The prisoner is something of an avatar as Talos, the Blades (unabashed heroes) are servants of Talos. Plus the game is set in Skyrim.
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[spoiler]I wouldn't call the Blades unabashed heroes. They have their nasty side too.

Spoiler: Actual spoilers; playing to about 2/3 completion of main storyline advised to avoid spoiling (click to show/hide)

They really hate the Greybeards and have something of a seemingly long term grudge running against them. Furthermore, even after you defeat Alduin, they want you to kill Parthurnaax. Parthurnaax; the dragon largely responsible for the banishing of Alduin the first time and the freeing of humans. Parthurnaax; the dragon without whom the main quest defeat of Alduin probably wouldn't have happened. And the same dragon who invented The Way of the Voice in order to tame the destructive nature of dragons, allowing him to live peacefully with humans for something like a thousand years, and whose method may well in time persuade others of his race that peaceful coexistence is possible. But no, he has to die because he is a dragon, and until you kill him, we will refuse to speak to you. The Blades are hardly heroic, seeing as they are advocating genocide of a sentient, intelligent species whom they deem dangerous, even going so far as to single out the single dragon who may in the future be responsible for the peaceful coexistence of the species with others.

Then again,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Paarthurnax almost made himself clear that he wanted Alduin removed, so he can rule over the dragons. The Blades might be right about killing him, if he suddenly decided to enforce his rule everywhere. And if you consider that you're still under attack by the dragons after the main quest, then the Blades are suddenly not too evil.

Still, I hate genociding the dragons, so I avoided that path.

[Azkanan]

I kinda wished the Civil War quest line allowed you to rule or free Skyrim from both Stormcloaks and Imperials, but alas, they didn't want that, or put that in.

Makes me sad that I wanted to join the Stormcloaks, since they're not fully evil, but they're absolutely brutal, and you had to do something that made you feel like a jerk for them, in order to proceed.

D:

I'm pissed that I can't run a business. I mean, really. Is it THAT much of an issue for a section of coding or two? It'd probably take half-a-week, if that long, to throw in a "Buy this business. Manage it." code.

[Trapezohedron]

Big question...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After killing Ulfric Stormcloak... Was that it? Either it was an extremely unimpressive end-game event (We killed him! Everybody go home), or I missed something thereafter.

Anybody able to tell me that Bethesda DIDN'T have the lamest end-event ever? That I missed something I'm supposed to do after this?

I've also completed the Dragon Quest, killed the boss Dragon (once and for all) and there are still dragons everywhere... In fact, they seem to pop up every time I friggin fast travel, and they're far too easy to despatch any more...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, that's just it. Kill Legate Rikke, then kill Tullius, then "Hooray! We Win!"

That was among the lamest endings I've ever seen.

[alway]

Big question...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After killing Ulfric Stormcloak... Was that it? Either it was an extremely unimpressive end-game event (We killed him! Everybody go home), or I missed something thereafter.

Anybody able to tell me that Bethesda DIDN'T have the lamest end-event ever? That I missed something I'm supposed to do after this?

I've also completed the Dragon Quest, killed the boss Dragon (once and for all) and there are still dragons everywhere... In fact, they seem to pop up every time I friggin fast travel, and they're far too easy to despatch any more...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, that's just it. Kill Legate Rikke, then kill Tullius, then "Hooray! We Win!"

That was among the lamest endings I've ever seen.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At least it's better than Fallout 3's ending.
Game :"Congratulations, despite reducing your rad exposure to 0 using pills and hazmat suits because you weren't pants-on-head-retarded, you have died of rad poisoning! Enjoy this wall of text describing the things we should have implemented happening afterwards but completely forgot to! Oh yeah, and GAME OVER, MAN."
Player: "FFUuuuuuuuuuu"

[Trapezohedron]

Big question...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After killing Ulfric Stormcloak... Was that it? Either it was an extremely unimpressive end-game event (We killed him! Everybody go home), or I missed something thereafter.

Anybody able to tell me that Bethesda DIDN'T have the lamest end-event ever? That I missed something I'm supposed to do after this?

I've also completed the Dragon Quest, killed the boss Dragon (once and for all) and there are still dragons everywhere... In fact, they seem to pop up every time I friggin fast travel, and they're far too easy to despatch any more...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, that's just it. Kill Legate Rikke, then kill Tullius, then "Hooray! We Win!"

That was among the lamest endings I've ever seen.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At least it's better than Fallout 3's ending.
Game :"Congratulations, after reducing your rad exposure to 0 using pills and hazmat suits because you weren't pants-on-head-retarded, you have died of rad poisoning!"
Player: "FFUuuuuuuuuuu"

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh right, forgot about that one. Might have something to do with the fact that the game's ending isn't memorable in any way.

[fqllve]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh right, forgot about that one. Might have something to do with the fact that the game's ending isn't memorable in any way.

If only Bethesda knew how to write a good story, like Obsidian.

Although, to be fair. Obsidian has done some bad endings.

[Neonivek]

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The Stormcloaks are evil? I haven't even started the civil war quest but that doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint. The prologue tries to make you sympathize with them by putting you in the same position. They're trying to re-establish worship of Talos, since the the Altmers decided to make up their own canon or something. The prisoner is something of an avatar as Talos, the Blades (unabashed heroes) are servants of Talos. Plus the game is set in Skyrim.

They do have a bunch of racists in the movement, but it has a nationalistic vibe to it which attracts that sort. Remember Morrowind? Like 500% of the dunmer were racists. They aren't good guys, but the Empire lets the Thalmor Inquisitioners come in, so they aren't particularly upstanding either.

Basically, both sides suck, but the Stormcloaks want to defy the Dominion and re-establish the Divine second only to Akatosh which are two important points considering the Dominion is in favor of genocide.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Now you WOULD be right if they kept up that storyline. However the Stormcloaks come off the same way Confederates would come off today would they have suddenly come back. The Imperials have long since been established to the point where by all means there are no real differences between them. As well their main goals is to slaughter the elves, establish a stronger "Nord-run" government.

The Stormcloaks cloak themselves in armor of nationalism and racial supperiority but their ultimate goals are rather sinister in that they oppose even the good that the Imperial lines have brought forth.

Both sides suck but by all means the Imperials are far better for Skyrim and because Skyrim is ultimately becoming more and more like the imperials it means that change is happening gradually. Stormcloak taking over skyrim is far worse then the Imperials ever have been (unless your a Nord. In which case good on you!)

Also it isn't "They have racists" they actually have a "Racist agenda".

In otherwords the ambiguity of the war melts away quite fast as soon as you actually sit down and think about what you are doing. The Imperials arn't perfect but they are just have ordinary corruption as opposed to Stormcloaks outright villainy.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

I kinda wished the Civil War quest line allowed you to rule or free Skyrim from both Stormcloaks and Imperials, but alas, they didn't want that, or put that in.

Makes me sad that I wanted to join the Stormcloaks, since they're not fully evil, but they're absolutely brutal, and you had to do something that made you feel like a jerk for them, in order to proceed.

D:

I'm pissed that I can't run a business. I mean, really. Is it THAT much of an issue for a section of coding or two? It'd probably take half-a-week, if that long, to throw in a "Buy this business. Manage it." code.

You're the Dragonborn, you should be out saving the world, not sitting in a back room doing accounts.