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[The Merchant Of Menace]

Kill them all and let Talos sort them out.

[Neonivek]

Kill them all and let Talos sort them out.

I am sort of surprised they turned out to be evil.

At first it seems like they have legitimate claim and that they were simply using archaic laws and practices that others didn't understand... NOPE! they just like their genocide.

They don't even try to hide it as ambiguous... I mean yes, one side has "bad" practices... but it is like America vs. Satan. Corrupt vs. Downright evil.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

I mean kill everyone¹, not just the faction that you've decided is evil.


¹ Aside from the six billion "Essential" NPCs

[Neonivek]

I mean kill everyone¹, not just the faction that you've decided is evil.


¹ Aside from the six billion "Essential" NPCs

Actually... what you said is exactly something the faction I am refering to as evil.

Also they pretty much are with modern standards. Their goals are genocide afterall.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

Genocide is overrated. Omnicide is where it's at.

[forsaken1111]

Dang it!

I picked the evil side... Now I have to go back and load 2 hours of gameplay.

I mean neither side is "good" but one side certainly is evil.

Wait which one did you decide was evil? Spoiler it ofcourse.

[Neonivek]

Dang it!

I picked the evil side... Now I have to go back and load 2 hours of gameplay.

I mean neither side is "good" but one side certainly is evil.

Wait which one did you decide was evil? Spoiler it ofcourse.

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I was surprised that... The Stormcloaks are evil

Honestly I thought they would be the good guys or at least neutral. The first stormcloak you see was an honestly good guy and the first imperials want to kill you.

[Bdthemag]

Dang it!

I picked the evil side... Now I have to go back and load 2 hours of gameplay.

I mean neither side is "good" but one side certainly is evil.

Wait which one did you decide was evil? Spoiler it ofcourse.

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I was surprised that... The Stormcloaks are evil

Honestly I thought they would be the good guys or at least neutral. The first stormcloak you see was an honestly good guy.

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What? They're the bad side? I'm so fucking pissed off right now, here was me thinking that Bethesda actually made an Elder Scroll game that wasn't all Black and White.

Damnit damnit damnit damnit.

[Neonivek]

Well Bdthemag

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They probably didn't realise that was what they were doing... and likely honestly thought there was no good side.

Just play through the first mission after you join and listen carefully. As well as their stated goals.

To be honest I have yet to join the Imperials and just like the Stormcloaks they will likely show how "evil" they are once I join them...

[Shadowlord]

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I haven't joined them and I already realized they were evil. It wasn't exactly hard to find out (with only in-game information).

[Neonivek]

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I haven't joined them and I already realized they were evil. It wasn't exactly hard to find out (with only in-game information).

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I know I should have seen it earlier. The problem was that I tricked myself into thinking Bethesda was trying to be ambiguous and subtle. How was I supposed to know they were melting down entire factions and movements into single elements and sticking to it?

I do have to ask.

Does completing the main storyline make elements leave the game?

Or rather

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Does completing the dragon storyline make dragons stop appearing... because they are a nice source of dragon scales and dragon bones and dragon souls (admittingly one dragon glitched and I didn't get its soul... but that is an exception)

[Shadowlord]

I specifically avoided joining either the imperials or stormcloaks until I was further along in the main quest. I had hoped to meet the thalmor, find out more about them, and see if it was possible to join them, but the main quest turns them hostile (if they weren't already) and they make no distinction between Altmer PCs and other PCs as far as I know.

[Neonivek]

I specifically avoided joining either the imperials or stormcloaks until I was further along in the main quest. I had hoped to meet the thalmor, find out more about them, and see if it was possible to join them, but the main quest turns them hostile (if they weren't already) and they make no distinction between Altmer PCs and other PCs as far as I know.

Ohh? I guess I should wait I guess...

Unless, once again, the main quest does evil things to your game like it did in Oblivion (one of the reasons why I never finished the main questline)

[fqllve]

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The Stormcloaks are evil? I haven't even started the civil war quest but that doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint. The prologue tries to make you sympathize with them by putting you in the same position. They're trying to re-establish worship of Talos, since the the Altmers decided to make up their own canon or something. The prisoner is something of an avatar as Talos, the Blades (unabashed heroes) are servants of Talos. Plus the game is set in Skyrim.

They do have a bunch of racists in the movement, but it has a nationalistic vibe to it which attracts that sort. Remember Morrowind? Like 500% of the dunmer were racists. They aren't good guys, but the Empire lets the Thalmor Inquisitioners come in, so they aren't particularly upstanding either.

Basically, both sides suck, but the Stormcloaks want to defy the Dominion and re-establish the Divine second only to Akatosh which are two important points considering the Dominion is in favor of genocide.

[Sensei]

Aside from the six billion "Essential" NPCs

This still bugs me, I would have figured it's something they'd fix. I understand that Bethesda didn't want to scare/frustrate players by doing what they did in Morrowind (you can kill essential NPCs but it will break the fourth wall to tell you that you can't finish the main quest with them dead, minor quest characters can die and stop quests). In Oblivion it was annoying that certain people could never be "killed". Now they come back with full health too. You can't even pickpocket them while they're down. I would expect them to lie down for a good while and surrender/forgive/run screaming from you, but no, they just get up with full health and fight you more.

Which is a surprising break from reality- I once beat a bandit leader within an inch of death, but let him get up. He then started cooking, and brushed me off angrily if I tried to talk to him. Might just be because he's a quest target and says something before you fight him (it doesn't pull you into a conversation window though). Some NPCs do reach the "surrender point", but keep fighting to the death when they get back up.