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[Putnam]

I've never seen any mod that actually removes Toady's name with the localization patch. If I did, I'd probably report them...

[WillowLuman]

Is it still possible to actually start a multi-race fort, or are the old DFusion functions axed for the time being?

[Caldfir]

Does anybody have some experience with the assortment of "selection areas" that exist in DF?  I'm fairly close to having a workable play-through-stonesense setup, but it really won't be practical to use until you can see yourself designating rooms and placing constructions in stonesense. 

Spoiler: what we have so far (click to show/hide)

This reminds me of the Khazad incident. Has there been a good discussion recently of how far we should go with DFHack and DF modding in general?

The other sketchy modding that I've seen recently was people editing the text strings in the exe to be different, so that the text in things like the hardcoded menus would be different. To me, at least, this kind of thing is only ethical if you limit yourself to language localization. Not that anyone has done this, but distributing modded exe files where Tarn Adams' name has been removed from the About DF and main menu pages is clearly wrong.

I agree completely that anything trying to remove references to Bay12 or Toady, as well as anything attempting to steal their work and become it's own entity is certainly unethical (in addition to being illegal) and should never be undertaken. 

I would, however, like to make a point here and say that nothing stonesense does, or has any aspirations of doing, could be described in this way.  All I've done is redirected a visualizer's display back to DF using the available SDL code.  If anything, this makes stonesense less like a standalone program, and more like a "complicated graphics pack" than it was before.  I do always try to be polite and curb confrontations I see on the Bay12 forums, but this post is (whether intended or not) an assault on my good name and integrity, and I'm not going to pretend not to be upset about it.  The characterization of what I've put together as "sketchy" is both ignorant and extremely offensive. 

That said, I'd rather not dwell on the matter anymore, and in stead ask again: can anyone give some information about how selection areas work, and what in DFhack would I need to look at to get stonesense able to display them?

[Meph]

The other sketchy modding that I've seen recently was people editing the text strings in the exe to be different, so that the text in things like the hardcoded menus would be different. To me, at least, this kind of thing is only ethical if you limit yourself to language localization. Not that anyone has done this, but distributing modded exe files where Tarn Adams' name has been removed from the About DF and main menu pages is clearly wrong.

I have changed to main menu to show the version file of the mod (Instead of "Play Dwarf Fortress" it says "Play Masterwork Dwarf Fortress V.#) and the worldgen to (Standard) and (Recommended), to let people know which one they should use with the mod. Dont know how thats sketchy.

I think total conversions can use this for a lot of things, changing the hardcoded vanilla building names to more futuristic/fitting names.

Caldfir: Hope you get it working.

[Putnam]

Is it still possible to actually start a multi-race fort, or are the old DFusion functions axed for the time being?

friendship.o isn't included in r3 for some reason, but I have a windows-compiled version in Fortbent but also here. You'll want to put it in ..\hack\lua\plugins\dfusion

[WillowLuman]

Thanks, but how do I run it?

[Putnam]

In init.lua in the raw folder (NOT raw/objects, just raw):

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plug=require"plugins.dfusion.friendship"
plug.Friendship:install{"SOMETHING","SOMETHING","OTHER_THING","ANOTHER_THING"}
And so on. Apparently, the first argument doesn't work, but repeating it should be fine.

[WillowLuman]

Will the same thing work for Embark?

[Putnam]

I haven't heard anything about embark's current syntax.

[Warmist]

I haven't heard anything about embark's current syntax.

It's very similar:

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plug=require"plugins.dfusion.embark"
plug.Embark:install{{"DWARF",0},{"HUMAN",-1},{"ELF",-1},{"HUMAN",0},{"ANT_MAN",0},{"ANT_MAN",0},{"ANT_MAN",0}} -- second number is caste and "-1" means random.


[WillowLuman]

So, in the save file's /raw folder, I should create a lua script that contains only

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plug=require"plugins.dfusion.embark"
plug.Embark:install{{"DWARF",0},{"HUMAN",-1},{"ELF",-1},{"HUMAN",0},{"HUMAN",0}} -- second number is caste and "-1" means random.
plug=require"plugins.dfusion.friendship"
plug.Friendship:install{"DWARF","HUMAN","ELF","KOBOLD"}
?

[Putnam]

You probably want -1 for all of the creatures. You'll also need 7 creatures. As it is now, you're embarking with 5 creatures: a female dwarf, a male or female human, a male or female elf and two female hhumans.

[WillowLuman]

But with the right number of creatures, a lua script containing only those (corrected) lines will work?

[Putnam]

Yeah.

[WillowLuman]

Opening up the site select screen for a new Fortress mode game coughs up a very long error list in the DFhack console, starting with

...\Dwarf Fortress 0.34.11\hack\lua\plugins\dfusion.lua:145: in function 'load'