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[CyberGenesis]

aye captain

[Elfeater]

Cyber, I read back, they decided the regimentrepresented my crew, and I thought they were heavy because of the exoerience, my bad. And did the tactics I said earlier count, in this thread?

[CyberGenesis]

'They' Being players and not Nuke or I. You cant have a regiment crew the ship. I'd argue for a new unit upgrade of Marine giving the ability to fight during naval battles, but they still wouldn't replace the sailor specialist that crews a ship. I gave you the options before. Random players don't get to make rulings for what someone starts with.

In regards to the tactics: All you've basically said is "Conserve Forces" in a long-winded explanation. Again, your tactics are under the assumption that your starting holdings are correct - and they're not. You have been given options of what you could start with. What you want is like 6d worth of units and upgrades, and thats just simply a no.

[Fanofgaming]

I haven't gone back and read, CG, but I seem to recall Nuke liking Elfeater's idea and his starting stuff. I don't think he said anything about a heavy regiment, though. I can't help but remember agreement about his crew being useable as soldiers, too.

[CyberGenesis]

For the terms of ship-ship combat, crew is a unit. If you lose combat, you lose your ship (at best). Ships have upgrade, their crew does not. If he wants a land unit with "Marine" allowing for use as a Sailor i might allow it, but if he takes them off the ship, he'll need to purchase a new sailor crew or else the ship sits unusable.

Using a real regiment in combat would confer a +1 to combat in melee ship combat simply from having a real strength value to begin with. It wouldn't add to ship combat however as they'd be crewing the ship.

EDIT: Actually i like that

New starting option for you Elf:
1 personal Guard regiment of Marines + Light Warship (You can maintain your 'cannons'. Ret-conning them as not being large enough to confer any sort of Ship combat bonus) - half your upkeep has been paid already (due to you starting with technically twice the units as other people)

New Upgrade added to wiki:
Marine: Counts as a Sailor specialist on a ship. If unit is removed from ship, ship is unusable till sailor is replaced. Confers the unit's str value to crew combat, but no bonus to Ship combat
Upgrade Cost: 1 Ducat
Upkeep: +0.5 Ducats

I haven't gone back and read, CG, but I seem to recall Nuke liking Elfeater's idea and his starting stuff. I don't think he said anything about a heavy regiment, though. I can't help but remember agreement about his crew being useable as soldiers, too.

But what he wants is seriously 3-4x what any other player started with (Aside from the Queen, GMs and sponsored events)

[Elfeater]

Ill take it, as you didnt count the cannons earlier, ill say that sounds good to me.

[Araph]

Hey CG, would you mind doing the gunsmith stuff in Nuke's absence?

[CyberGenesis]

Ill take it, as you didnt count the cannons earlier, ill say that sounds good to me.

There wasnt much to count in that fight to be honest

Hey CG, would you mind doing the gunsmith stuff in Nuke's absence?

sure, link me to what i'm looking for to roll

[Araph]

"Thank you, sir." With that dismissal, Ite bowed slightly and left the office. Now... now he wasn't sure what to do. Perhaps if he acquired a gun on his own, he could start working on designing a more easily produced version of it. Where would he find a example, though?

Ite begins searching for a gunsmith.

[CyberGenesis]

Done

Fun fun fun...my turn!

Tari: I have 2 prime units that'll be sent from Galam if you can afford 1d next season

[Taricus]

Well, I'll pay 3d if they're both upgraded, with one being Heavy Cav.

[Terenos]

..There isn't even going to be a fight. Though I must say I am deliciously entertained at you calling in favors and throwing out money to no gain.

[CyberGenesis]

its 1d to hire the services for the fight, +half the cost of the unit if one dies. THey're pre-made and you won't know about them till they get there if you send a mail to Eshir to agree. They're perfect against Terenos though

[Taricus]

Well, I can spare the money next season. Besides, you're not wanted in the DE Tere? Join me.

[Terenos]

I might have just been ordered to my death, but that doesnt mean I'm going to go and sign up with Ligoria of all places.