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[Taricus]

He's just overstating the difficulty. It's a bit confusing at first, but it's easy to understand once you know it.

[Atilliano]

Who, exactly, is the ruler of the town 'Galam'?

[ashton1993]

Who, exactly, is the ruler of the town 'Galam'?

Umm... nobody's said although it's a military state so presumably a commander of some sort and bearing in mind I recently GM'ed commander Zach leading a massive army against some bandits presumably him.

He's just overstating the difficulty. It's a bit confusing at first, but it's easy to understand once you know it.

Well my understanding is you go to a place which produces an item and buy it for [base value - [increment value * 4] + [increment value * [1d6 - 3]]] and then sell it somewhere else for [base value + [increment value * [1d6 - 3]]] where base value is equal to tier * 3 and increment value is to equal to tier / 5. The tier is how valuable the good is and you can do 6 operations per season (Buying is one, moving is one and selling is another). So how close is that to what it is?

[CyberGenesis]

Who, exactly, is the ruler of the town 'Galam'?

No one currently, NPC leader (basically me or Nuke).

I don't get why we need an experince system, when we don't even have a uniform level of troops.

This is why Terenos and I have been trying to avoid the XP system, but everyone seems to think it's a great idea. The upgrade system is really enough for the troops.

People keep wanted to add content or add mechanics, but they don't look ahead as to how it'll effect GMs or the game itself.

mmm... nobody's said although it's a military state so presumably a commander of some sort and bearing in mind I recently GM'ed commander Zach leading a massive army against some bandits presumably him.

Which is actually wrong..reread the information for Galam

[filiusenox]

Well a new recruit with a sword is just as dangerous as a veteran, becuase a new recruit is scared to hell of dying and seeing the death around him. A veteran is used to it.
 I really don't think we need a new system to add onto the game. A tired veteran is as likely to die as a recruit.

[ashton1993]

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mmm... nobody's said although it's a military state so presumably a commander of some sort and bearing in mind I recently GM'ed commander Zach leading a massive army against some bandits presumably him.

Which is actually wrong..reread the information for Galam

Galam is a heavily paranoid state. They spend little time harrassing their neighbors and spend more time just annoying the tourists and traders. Taxes are heavy but they sell marques to ignore taxes like they were going out of style. The state makes more money circumventing their own laws than they do enforcing them.
The military might of Galam is dumped ritualistically into defensive might and research. No one has made a successful attempt to seize control of Galam in 300 years. That attempt ended with the current leadership taking power. Galam is run by the military commanders. The greatest General of the generation 'retires' to leadership.

Current leadership is former Knight Commander Eshir 'Paladin' Romak. Commander 'Paladin' earned his title from the stoic manner in which he defended the contract he was sent to die in by his former superiors. His survival earned the respect of those above him, his victory earned that of those below him. Respect, however, doesn't buy much in Galam. His rise to leadership was followed by several missions and mishaps that left him with a fresh cabinet of Generals.

The city itself does still attempt to trade with their neighbors. Basic goods, nothing that can be used against them. They maintain a contraband policy against arms and slaves. The region is full of various livestock. They seem to have access to a source of iron, yet no one knows from where.

Ok just read the wiki, and it repeats what I said  I must be mistaken, apologies.

EDIT: oh yes Commander Eshir 'Paladin' Romak, I see what you must have been pointing to now, well I was right in that it was lead by a military commander at least 

He's just overstating the difficulty. It's a bit confusing at first, but it's easy to understand once you know it.

Well my understanding is you go to a place which produces an item and buy it for [base value - [increment value * 4] + [increment value * [1d6 - 3]]] and then sell it somewhere else for [base value + [increment value * [1d6 - 3]]] where base value is equal to tier * 3 and increment value is to equal to tier / 5. The tier is how valuable the good is and you can do 6 operations per season (Buying is one, moving is one and selling is another). So how close is that to what it is?

[CyberGenesis]

Your presumption of who leads, the fact they left the city, etc...Especially that line where it says "Current leadership"

Your math of trades is also tweaked quite epically

[ashton1993]

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Your presumption of who leads, the fact they left the city, etc...Especially that line where it says "Current leadership"

Your math of trades is also tweaked quite epically

I did put in an edit to show I realized I was wrong, and see the second bit is my point, it's so confusing that if you try and look at it you end up with something completely different because the trade system is so confusing! I really am making a bad case here, aren't I?  I'll just skulk back into the garage and do some more chemigrams...

EDIT:  Holy crap CG I just realized the PERFECT game for you http://wiki.darwinbots.com/w/Main_FTP it's a rather cult like game with only about a dozen active players, you basically have robots which live in a simulated environment and evolve, the main appeal for me however is coding bots with interesting behaviors (and also arena coding), the robots genes mostly consist of simple maths and written in reverse polish notaion ie: [a - b] is [a b sub] anyways for example you'd have:

*.eye5 50 sub sgn ++ sgn .shoot mult dec

which basically says if the value of .eye5 is greater than 50 (something's close to you and in front of you (roughly in front anyway)) then reduce the value of .shoot to -1 which causes the bot to shoot (if .eye5 is not greater than 50 this gene instead reduces the value of memory location 0 by 1 which you probably already worked out, anyway that does nothing), I'm quite proud in having created the most effcient eye focusing gene possible:

-4 *.eye1 *.eye9 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye8 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye4 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye3 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye1 *.eye2 sub sgn 0 floor mult 4 *.eye9 *.eye8 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye4 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye3 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye2 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye9 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add -3 *.eye2 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye2 *.eye8 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye4 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye3 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye2 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add 3 *.eye8 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye8 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye8 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye8 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye8 *.eye4 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye8 *.eye3 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye8 *.eye2 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye8 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add -2 *.eye3 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye3 *.eye8 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye3 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye3 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye3 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye3 *.eye4 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye3 *.eye2 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye3 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add 2 *.eye7 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye7 *.eye8 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye7 *.eye7 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye7 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye7 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye7 *.eye4 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye7 *.eye2 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye7 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add -1 *.eye4 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye4 *.eye8 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye4 *.eye7 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye4 *.eye6 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye4 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye4 *.eye3 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye4 *.eye2 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye4 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add 1 *.eye6 *.eye9 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye8 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye7 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye6 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye5 sub sgn 0 floor mult *.eye6 *.eye3 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye2 sub sgn ++ sgn mult *.eye6 *.eye1 sub sgn ++ sgn mult add 4 add *.focuseye 4 add sub dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult inc -- 9 add - dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec -- dup sgn -- sgn ++ .focuseye mult dec --

anyways kinda got a bit carried away but check it out... never got 'round to those chemigrams.

[filiusenox]

Thank you, Ashton.

[Taricus]

Okay, just giving a battle and XP demonstration.

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Party A vs Party B

Party A forces: Three infantry

Party B forces: Three infantry

So, this means a Str 3 army for both sides, and would take a prolonged battle to destroy one another.

Party A: [6+3] vs Party B: [2+3].

A lost one unit, and B lost two, so we'll mark them down.


Party A:
Infantry:  0 XP
Infantry:  0 XP
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD



Party B:
Infantry:  0 XP
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD


Those units marked as dead can't get XP, but the battle still rages.

[+2] vs [+1]

Party A has just barely beaten B, which leaves all but one of Party A's regiments alive.

Thus, the after battle report should look like this:


Party A
Infantry: 38 XP
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD



Party B
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD
Infantry: 0 XP DEAD

This means the only surviving regiment has received 4 XP from the Battle(s) it participated in.

A unit gains XP for every battle it's in, the longer one goes on that the unit survives the more the unit has learnt. A unit can only gain one level from the same battle however (In order to balance the system).

A list of things a unit should get XP for

• A unit receives 10 XP per enemy strength that participated in the battle.
• A unit recieves 10 XP per tactic it particpated in.
• A unit recieves a multiplier of 1.2 per enemy strength above it's own (As an army-wide thing).
• A unit receives a divisor of 1.2 per strength ratio that it's army has against the enemy. (so the first penatly comes after it has a one point advantage, the second after three, stopping at a 7 points (As they'll at least gain drill excersize from being sent up against such a weak foe))
• A unit gets a divisor of 1.2 for every XP level the enemy is uner them by. Of course, this means that for every level the enemy is higher than them they get a mulitplier of 1.2.

Units gain XP on a 100 point system, needing 100 XP to get to the next level. The amount stays static however.

Ranks:
Rank 0: Quick recruited units are considered conscripts. They cannot be used in tactics, and if the enemy has atleast a 1 point strength advantage all tactics against the conscripts auto-succeed.
Rank 1: Standard recruits, No penalties. Most units can be recruited as standard, providing the recruiter sets a season aside for drills and weapons training.
Rank 2: Regulars, +1 to all tactics rolls involving the units.
Rank 3: Veterans, +1 to base strength, +.5 ducats to upkeep (For the strength increase)
Rank 4: Crack, +2 to tactics rolls involving the unit, gains third slot for upgrades.
Rank 5: Elite, +1 to base strength (Culumative with the veteran bonus.), halves upkeep for upgrades, +3 to tactics, +.5 upkeep costs.

[filiusenox]

That don't sound too bad. So do any personal guard regiments in the game get anything allready, like regular status? Or are we starting off as Recruits?

[ashton1993]

Ok, glad someone got something down hard, that looks perfect, wiki'ing it now? Set in stone and all that?

[Taricus]

Only if CG (Or Iituem) says so.

Personal guard are loyalist troops, I'd say that's bonus enough.

EDIT: Nuke, not every criminal get's chucked into the arena...

[filiusenox]

Murder, Assault, thievery, talking wrongly about (the queen, the nation, or divine right) they all get you chucked in the arena. That's fifty percent of medieval crime. The punishments don't fit the crime. Plus most likely if you didn't kill theives you would cut their hands off or something evil, beggers probably get chucked in the arena regardless.

[Dwarmin]

Hmm, I need someone to roll my two actions I posted earlier. Should be pretty quick.

-Begin to do brisk business in the Art Trade, making friends in high places.
-Attempt to gather some common information on state of the realm.
-Try to improve my relationship with David the Guard, and see what court secrets he might spill in the course of casual conversation.

The last ones RP didn't get any continuation after my post, so I'm assuming it was a success. :3