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[filiusenox]

Why are we arguing over x100/x1000 things, anyway?

The specialists are like a team of people doing things instead of just one person.
You have one master-brewer and some underlings under him that work for the goal. You think a single brewer could brew that much whisky in such a short time?!
Spies are expensive becuase they risk life and limb.

[CyberGenesis]

easy multiply is what you were all apparently proposing. But again, what you WANT is a full rewrite of the game. Sure, we can do that, and we'll put -all- actions on hold till it's done?

What you seem to want is larger numbers so that incidental costs like food, travel and rooms are counted. Or so people can haggle about meaningless crap.

Changing the rules on land is actually IS as easy as people want things to be: THAT we can just increase the taxes per parcel. From 1 to 1.5 or 2 then it's fine. But as i said, my rewrites to the trade system allow for more room for nobles to make money OFF the merchants

Again, if you want the brewer to PRODUCE anything you need a business. The 1d isnt PER YEAR a specialist is bought, outright, they aren't paid.

[King_of_the_weasels]

Why are we arguing over x100/x1000 things, anyway?

The specialists are like a team of people doing things instead of just one person.
You have one master-brewer and some underlings under him that work for the goal.
Spies are expensive becuase they risk life and limb.

Oh I just brought up that 12 ducats doesn't mean as much if it was .12 ducats instead of 12 old school ducats.  Like how he'd make only one old school value ducat in 8ish years?

[Terenos]

What 'brewer'? I dont see any specialist information for a 'brewer'. Its an addition that is frankly unnecessary. And actually, if a 'brewer' was a Specialist, it would cost 3x the price of a regiment of troops. Or 2x during non-war time, Or with 3 specialists you can make a building that produces 1/year.

Incidental expenses were brushed aside in YAK solely because its weight that we don't need. Can you imagine having to keep track of every cent you spend on everything? It will become an incredible burden on everyone.

Keep things as they are. Incidental expenses don't matter. Large expenses do. But the specialist system that was set up doesn't necessarily need more specialists. Unless they really fill a role thats required, whats the point? Brewmasters? Thats not a specialist. Just make an industry that consumes grain and produces Beer. There. Problem solved.

[filiusenox]

Hey Terenos look at where we were seiging the rebel stronghold, you'll see mention of what a good brewer can do...

[King_of_the_weasels]

What 'brewer'? I dont see any specialist information for a 'brewer'. Its an addition that is frankly unnecessary. And actually, if a 'brewer' was a Specialist, it would cost 3x the price of a regiment of troops. Or 2x during non-war time, Or with 3 specialists you can make a building that produces 1/year.

Incidental expenses were brushed aside in YAK solely because its weight that we don't need. Can you imagine having to keep track of every cent you spend on everything? It will become an incredible burden on everyone.

Keep things as they are. Incidental expenses don't matter. Large expenses do. But the specialist system that was set up doesn't necessarily need more specialists. Unless they really fill a role thats required, whats the point? Brewmasters? Thats not a specialist. Just make an industry that consumes grain and produces Beer. There. Problem solved.

During YAK 1, someone hired a brewer so they could male alcohol to cover the walls that were protecting adwarf and burn them down easier.

Ninja'd  Fil knows his elbreth history.

[Terenos]

Yes. But that wasn't a specialist. Someone just decided that was a good idea, threw some ducats at it and called it a win when it worked out. I see Spies, Engineers, Missionaries.. No Brewers..

[CyberGenesis]

Yes and i believe those actions were either done A) Before the Specialist system was started, or B) Were 'costs' incurred by a 'special action'

It was DEFINATELY before the businesses were added, thus negating the need of a 'brewer' for any reasons other than 'special actions'

[King_of_the_weasels]

I was using it as an example, not some sort of gameplay feature.

[CyberGenesis]

As i said, you're basing your opinion and claims about a 'brewer' from a point in time which didnt contain the proper functionality for what someone would properly -use- a brewer for.

The action you're referring to is still possible, but since we now have quantified the costs of goods (like liqour) you'd be purchasing the good for the action, not the brewer.

[vagel7]

How much time has passed from the first game?

[micelus]

100 years.

[Taricus]

I'd just like to clear any arguements over the inn and the brewer.

Micelus shouldn't be getting money from it at this point due to the damage and such. Hiring the brewer would've been part of restoring it to a fuctional state...

[micelus]

I've edited my post so many times...I hope this is the last time.

[filiusenox]

Disregard.