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Taricus

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« Reply #6495 on: November 10, 2011, 01:01:54 pm »

Now that I think about it, the rules say that it's a strength reduction in battles, not regiment. This leads me to think that It'll take MORE than one batlle to completely destrroy heavy units...
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« Reply #6496 on: November 10, 2011, 01:46:42 pm »

As per Nuke's proposal: I think you are on the right track. The tactics bit may be somewhat demanding to work out when you calculate which unit was lost and what unit soaked up damage, but the battles themselves will have more flavour and will reflect on the shift from peasants to professionals. 
Yeah, the damage calculations would be a bitch, but I feel its necessary- the current system means that your highly trained professional army is dragging around a bunch of raw recruits purely for the purpose of dying in their place. I feel that if you want to keep your favourite unit safe, you should have to work for it.
Actually, it shouldn't be too much work. Unless we get massive 30v30 battles involving over 100 effective strength on both sides.

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Well, there is probably some reasonable way of making units like this available and cheaper for Ligoria to recruit. There may be concessions. The reach bit, for example, definitely would need to be toned down. As the bulk of the force, enemy cavalry would quickly adapt strategies allowing them to avoid and flank the units more efficiently, reducing the bonus against cavalry. (Cavalry didn't disappear as soon as pikes became dominant, though they did become less important)

This sounds like it would be complicated on small 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 5 regiment skirmishes, but it sounds like it would work...I think...
As it stands, a 1 vs 1 battle comes down to a single roll of the dice (unless both sides have large strength bonuses). Without round one attrition, the battle will probably involve at least two rounds, making the outcome slightly less random, slightly more based on relative strength.
Although, I'd say that there should never be a 'battle' involving a single regiment. 1v1 or 1v2 should be resolved through a smaller scale system, like what happened with elfeater raiding the Shriners. 1v3+ should be, depending on the circumstances (and the roll of the dice), a bloodless surrender, a famous last stand, an ambush wherein the smaller force might take out one or two regiments before retreating, or even a famous [Nth] stand in which the single regiment fights like cornered rodents and take out most of the enemy force (unlikely). But not a battle.
Unless both sides are pretending that one regiment is an actual army and treating them as such- then it'd be a battle.

There. Done with the tower rolls Leone.
I was really hoping it would be really expensive...but luck was on your side apparently...*mutter, mutter*
Yeah, Hugo does not have time/interest in being a full-time staff member of a university. He might be prepared to drop by and explain some stuff about architecture and various art-forms on a semi-regular basis, but I'm going to say you'll still need to find some more staff somewhere.

How wide is that Island that Rectyl found? A rough number will do...
Numbers are for the weak, who can be bothered to look up plausible sizes for an island of that nature. From the description, I'd say large enough to hold a small fishing village, not large enough to be self sufficient- food would have to be imported. Although I'm just guessing, CG may have other ideas.

Now that I think about it, the rules say that it's a strength reduction in battles, not regiment. This leads me to think that It'll take MORE than one batlle to completely destrroy heavy units...
That's silly. You can't have a half-destroyed regiment running around. No, if you're going to let them take non-full damage, they either need to be fixed on the spot or destroyed.
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« Reply #6497 on: November 10, 2011, 01:49:34 pm »

They'll still need repairs and such, but they'll count as a lower strength regiment before they can be repaired and healed. Maybe a few other penalties too?
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« Reply #6498 on: November 10, 2011, 02:42:32 pm »

Units which had more than one point of strength in the battle (and are not siege weapons- siege weapons are OHKO) could be given a chance to take the damage, but have enough survivors to keep fighting- [damage taken/strength in battle] chance of surviving, requiring [damage taken/2] ducats to bandage up, fix their armour, and replenish losses.
I guess if you don't actually have the money to fix a regiment straight away (but thought you might in the near future) you could hold off for a short while. And I suppose that if you got into battle before they could be restored they could still fight with a strength penalty. But it would be really careless behaviour, which wouldn't exactly inspire confidence in the troops. You certainly couldn't keep a unit like that around for very long before it just abandons you.
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« Reply #6499 on: November 10, 2011, 02:47:21 pm »

In regards to hugo running the University - Not unless nuke wanted to quit playing. THe specialist required is for the administration of the university itself, its just like engineers for siege weapons. However that leaves the interesting part of hugo having a personal guard regiment of Catapults...

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Sounds fine to me.

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Conceptually i like what nuke was saying, it seems rather complicated without an example for an explanation. It hurts the brain but obviously the combat system needs some modifications. Tactics cant solve everything, but it's a step. It shouldnt be overly hard to rewrite the system...I'd also rather not sink MORE ducats into the military aspect if not needed.

Ardas: What you want is a Heavy II Pike, roughly 7d and 2-3 seasons of training
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« Reply #6500 on: November 10, 2011, 02:48:45 pm »

Sounds fair. CG, is the second and third heavy unit upgrades upgrades to the first AKA I can make a unit as (Heavy 3, Cavalry) and such?

EDIT: Ninja'd on the heavy part. Though it'll be five ducats rather than 7...
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« Reply #6501 on: November 10, 2011, 03:59:51 pm »

So, it starts to look like your typical dilemma: do you fork out on a uni or on army? Pen or the sword?

As for the reach upgrade: Taking a way a point is fine, if its needed for balance purposes.
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« Reply #6502 on: November 10, 2011, 04:04:40 pm »

Well, the Uni is about 3 Ducats. I could give you the money to upgrade the existing Pike unit, so Win/Win?
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« Reply #6503 on: November 10, 2011, 04:51:01 pm »

The Uni may come to be a moot point when the Mileth runners reach Shola and Ligoria
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« Reply #6504 on: November 10, 2011, 04:51:55 pm »

True. I can fund that at the start of the year anyway.
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« Reply #6505 on: November 10, 2011, 06:29:34 pm »

"I see..."

He paused for a few seconds.

"Are you going to make a military move against the force from the dragon empire, or are you only going to do some politics?"

I think you missed my post, Taricus.
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« Reply #6506 on: November 10, 2011, 06:31:01 pm »

Possibly. CG, mind putting the report into a new post when it's finished?
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« Reply #6507 on: November 10, 2011, 06:39:16 pm »

just modified the post, cause i also had to add Gant to it. Cain's report will be a seperate post
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« Reply #6508 on: November 10, 2011, 07:16:16 pm »

Am I in the room or did the runner came later after the discussion about army? Besides I doubt I will be marching anywhere in the winter.
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« Reply #6509 on: November 10, 2011, 07:25:36 pm »

Would it be possible for me to join this forum game? I looked through the rules and lists of events that occurred during the seasons, and it seems really cool.
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