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[NUKE9.13]

So, what. Everyone makes with the posting of the characters now?
Very well.


Name: Hugo van Vissersdorp (thats pronounced with a raspy G in hugo. Sort of like hucho with the ch of loch)
Occupation: Jack of all artforms (which artforms depends on period chosen).
Age:21
Description: The son of a whore and a mercenary soldier. In an ironic twist, his father took full responsibility for his mother's pregnancy, and stayed with her whenever he wasn't on campaign. As such, Hugo had a happy if unconventional childhood, learning more than a young boy should about the way of the world from his loving mother, who continued to work despite her essentially committed relationship with his father. From his father, he learnt tales of the horrors and glories of war, and of far off lands and the nobles who hired mercenaries to do their fighting for them.
But instead of becoming a soldier himself, Hugo painted. In another ironic twist, both his parents were highly supportive of Hugo's hobby, doing their utmost to supply him with the materials and training he wanted. With their loving guidance, Hugo flourished. He branched out from painting into other artforms, and at the age of twelve he was apprenticed to a master artist. At the age of seventeen, Hugo completed his masterpiece, and entered employment as an assistant artist. However his ambition was not sated with regular employment, and Hugo studied more. He watched masons and carpenters, potters and glaziers. He begged and scraped his way into a nobleman's library, where he taught himself to read, and devoured knowledge with a passion.
When the artistic knowhow of his home town was depleted, Hugo left, always seeking more. A brief stop in the capital of the lowlands was enough to tell him where he needed to be: [INSERT PRIMARY GAME LOCATION HERE], surely the epicenter of culture for the entire Storm Coast.
Also, he's gay. The guy is the son of a whore; hetrosexual loving has lost all appeal to him. How flamboyant he is about this depends on what local attitude towards homosexuality is. Regardless, he will be fabulous. And so shall everything around him, so help him god(s).

A couple of things:
1)I imply the existence of a region or country known as the lowlands here. I assume this is fine. This is fine, right?
2)Anyone running/part of a mercenary company, can Hugo's father be a member of said company, preferably of a medium-highish rank- If politics get ugly, I would like to run crying to daddy and a few of his loyal men. If not, I would like to imply the existence of a group of lowlandish mercenaries to serve a similar purpose.
3)Obviously Hugo is more of a renaissance man, but I feel he could still work as a (slightly) ahead of his time medieval man. If anyone has a real problem with this, please let me know.
4)...am I doin' it right?


Re: City/cities, I think having a single starting city state would be best. But by having the city state be similar to Venice/Genoa, one can simultaneously have the city state, and the conquering, and rebelling, and what not. (Both Venice and Genoa had extensive overseas properties, which were often violently contested)

[King_of_the_weasels]

Has calmed down and drew a pretty picture since he sucks at explaining things.



On the left is how the game was played, Elbreth being team one, and Manskinner being team two, everyone else being controlled by Iiteum.  Elbreth, to my knowledge never fought against Manskinner.  However later Yoink did take over Miring, but we never actually had a war there.

On the right are the city states, each one there own "kingdom"  Notice that they don't have teams, that's because they are constantanly being fought over by people in them, around them, and from other cities, between the cities is were the parcels of land are, but the cities would also have parcels of "land" too I guess (for building smithy's or whatnot)

So we could either do it PvE, were we just slowly win, since most people are on the kings side.  or what is essentially PVP with some random computer stuff.

Okay, that's as clear as I can make it.



edit- or I could of checked and seen if anyone's played the guild 2..or the first one..acco..1440 or something..

[micelus]

Played them both. I understand what you mean, but....I don't know...As long as we still have the armies (not all mercs hopefully) I think everyone would warm up to the idea. But having "computer" forces can help make things more interesting. Such as a Ztah chieftain uniting all the small and petty tribes and invading the Mirish and Storm Coasts.

[King_of_the_weasels]

Played them both. I understand what you mean, but....I don't know...As long as we still have the armies (not all mercs hopefully) I think everyone would warm up to the idea. But having "computer" forces can help make things more interesting. Such as a Ztah chieftain uniting all the small and petty tribes and invading the Mirish and Storm Coasts.

By mercs I mean not conscripted.

[King_of_the_weasels]

So, what. Everyone makes with the posting of the characters now?
Very well.


Name: Hugo van Vissersdorp (thats pronounced with a raspy G in hugo. Sort of like hucho with the ch of loch)
Occupation: Jack of all artforms (which artforms depends on period chosen).
Age:21
Description: The son of a whore and a mercenary soldier. In an ironic twist, his father took full responsibility for his mother's pregnancy, and stayed with her whenever he wasn't on campaign. As such, Hugo had a happy if unconventional childhood, learning more than a young boy should about the way of the world from his loving mother, who continued to work despite her essentially committed relationship with his father. From his father, he learnt tales of the horrors and glories of war, and of far off lands and the nobles who hired mercenaries to do their fighting for them.
But instead of becoming a soldier himself, Hugo painted. In another ironic twist, both his parents were highly supportive of Hugo's hobby, doing their utmost to supply him with the materials and training he wanted. With their loving guidance, Hugo flourished. He branched out from painting into other artforms, and at the age of twelve he was apprenticed to a master artist. At the age of seventeen, Hugo completed his masterpiece, and entered employment as an assistant artist. However his ambition was not sated with regular employment, and Hugo studied more. He watched masons and carpenters, potters and glaziers. He begged and scraped his way into a nobleman's library, where he taught himself to read, and devoured knowledge with a passion.
When the artistic knowhow of his home town was depleted, Hugo left, always seeking more. A brief stop in the capital of the lowlands was enough to tell him where he needed to be: [INSERT PRIMARY GAME LOCATION HERE], surely the epicenter of culture for the entire Storm Coast.
Also, he's gay. The guy is the son of a whore; hetrosexual loving has lost all appeal to him. How flamboyant he is about this depends on what local attitude towards homosexuality is. Regardless, he will be fabulous. And so shall everything around him, so help him god(s).

A couple of things:
1)I imply the existence of a region or country known as the lowlands here. I assume this is fine. This is fine, right?
2)Anyone running/part of a mercenary company, can Hugo's father be a member of said company, preferably of a medium-highish rank- If politics get ugly, I would like to run crying to daddy and a few of his loyal men. If not, I would like to imply the existence of a group of lowlandish mercenaries to serve a similar purpose.
3)Obviously Hugo is more of a renaissance man, but I feel he could still work as a (slightly) ahead of his time medieval man. If anyone has a real problem with this, please let me know.
4)...am I doin' it right?


Re: City/cities, I think having a single starting city state would be best. But by having the city state be similar to Venice/Genoa, one can simultaneously have the city state, and the conquering, and rebelling, and what not. (Both Venice and Genoa had extensive overseas properties, which were often violently contested)

Great character, thank you for not being another noble or fightguy.

[micelus]

Actually, would it be ok if I change my guy? Or if I decided to play Locanil( ) again.


Nevermind. If I did that, I would be somewhat overpowered.

[King_of_the_weasels]

Hm.. when in the real world did clockwork start to rise?

[micelus]

In which region? Middle East? China? Europe?

They seemed to be in use in China around...the 10th century but needed to use water as a power source.

True mechanical clocks seemed to become more widespread around the Mediterranean around the 12th-14th century.

But if I'm correct, the clocks your thinking of became really common in the 15th-16th century, at least in Germany.

[King_of_the_weasels]

In which region? Middle East? China? Europe?

They seemed to be in use in China around...the 10th century but needed to use water as a power source.

True mechanical clocks seemed to become more widespread around the Mediterranean around the 12th-14th century.

But if I'm correct, the clocks your thinking of became really common in the 15th-16th century, at least in Germany.

I was thinking of being a clockmaker, with a.. business on the side.

[Ardas]

I don't know what yoy guys want, but I enjoyed YaK precisely because of its scope and approach. Having is play around an isolated area with couple of citystates is just a copy of You are Prince, which I saw on this forum as well.

I feel that there was nothing wrong with Elbreth, and having a radical change by dumping almost all of YaK for no god reason is just plaun dumb.

I understand your concerns Weasel, but please stop hardselling your ideas and forcing your vision onto others.

[NUKE9.13]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original YaK started with play centered around one tiny baby kingdom, yes? The scope of the game expanded naturally as more players came in and claimed/conquered new lands, right?

Having the game start with a single focus, and expand as the players desire, seems like the most sensible option from a mechanical perspective; if you assume that you will be using a larger area, but everyone clusters around a smaller area anyway, you have merely created vast tracts of NPC territory, providing major headaches to GMing folks.
Whereas natural expansion is always going to have as much land as the players want to play in, with whatever borders on that for expansion.

[Shootandrun]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original YaK started with play centered around one tiny baby kingdom, yes? The scope of the game expanded naturally as more players came in and claimed/conquered new lands, right?

Having the game start with a single focus, and expand as the players desire, seems like the most sensible option from a mechanical perspective; if you assume that you will be using a larger area, but everyone clusters around a smaller area anyway, you have merely created vast tracts of NPC territory, providing major headaches to GMing folks.
Whereas natural expansion is always going to have as much land as the players want to play in, with whatever borders on that for expansion.

I'm not against that idea. We start little, we get bigger and as we get bigger we'll face more and more factions. If we only do noble infighting, we might never even be able to invade a city since everyone is going to be afraid of backstabs.

[micelus]

Ok, so we're starting small and expanding from there? That works well for the majority.

[Ardas]

I'm with the idea if the organic expansion. Let's have a new kingdom somewhere and we work our way from there. Also, let's keep the resouces and economic aspect of the taxes and rule, but simplify the trade to routes.

[vagel7]

I think what brought YaK down was the immense content it had, it just grew over our heads.