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[Taricus]

Actually, just set the Cyclist church onto all the merchants, preaching that wealth is sinful. And make usury illegal.

[filiusenox]

Then the Cyclists eithier get bribed or get incredibly rich. Then they control Erik.

[Taricus]

Well, we kill any priest taking bribes, and replace them with raving fanatics.

[Ardas]

Jeez, thats how it happened in history with Hanseatic League and Venice. And you have SCTG to boot. Its up to you lot and Erik to make sure everything is ok, instead of lamenting over merchant power. Institute taxes, institute laws or make friends with merchants and use them to help your economies grow. But don't expect me or CG to roll over and let you lot have your way.

[Taricus]

That's what the army is for 

[thatkid]

My thoughts exactly. Merchants can get way too powerful...perhaps we could institute an adjustable tax for non-government, non-nobility rich folk.

If merchants get too powerful, King Erik could become nothing but a puppet, dancing to the tune of a rich capitalist, our government would stagnate to providing the best profits and the smallest losses, the game would turn not into how to conquer and make your country bigger, but how to make the biggest profit, and the traders could become the real powers, wars would become trying to get the best profits...
Every body's current position in government is at stake, hell they could just forcibly buy up our land, without paying us a dime, and rule it so that the trades guild gets the biggest profit.
No new flow of knowledge will come in- except on how to make more money-just more money, the worth of the ducat will plummet and bring about economic problems.
The lords, scholars, kings, knights, and anybody within the government, their position will be useless, being able to be bought and sold with ease.
I do not want this game to turn out like Earth.

P.S. I think The Black Shadow Of Elberth already sold out...

So you're saying the game will become realistic, and that Elbreth will become modern day America?
I don't see a problem with that, if that's what people want. I'll likely stop playing once it reaches that level of boringness, but I intend to work to prevent it ICly and if it worries you your character likely will have motivation to do the same.

Keep the middle class down.

[Ardas]

Its always maim, kill and burn with you, isn't it Taricus?

E: I think you guys are over-reacting, just as it was the case with the romance bluff. We don't have manufacturing plants and we don't use fiat money and monarchs are absolute in power, without any constitution to protect the merchants, save for banding into guilds and buying mercs.

And here is an example of a monarch squashing a medieval corporation

[Taricus]

Nah, Cleanse, purge & kill for me

[Shootandrun]

I do believe the merchants should get nerfed. Like, alot. Right now, a merchant can make 30 ducats per season if he's lucky/smart, maybe 10-20 normally. It should be more like 5 if he's lucky/smart, maybe 2-3 normally.

[filiusenox]

*Shrug*
I didn't expect you to Ardas and CG.
And sorry if I sound like I'm whining, I just have a RL negative bias towards traders(corp executives and others) and its carrying over to Kain.

You would have one too if you been crawling around under a ratshit filled trailer doing work that nobody else wants to and having a heatstroke because if you don't wear goddamn sweat clothes, you got spiders and rats crawling up your shirt and only getting paid eight bucks an hour for it...

Political assassinations will be forthcoming, you can count on that, sorry to say...

[Ardas]

You can't start stabbing people if you don't know what are they up to. besides, I pledged my services to the king, so I just need to see what will be Erik's reaction to it.

[Taricus]

Eh, I have no quarrel with you if you follow this list:

1: Fair prices are to be given to the general populace (Gouging foreigners is acceptable though )
2: All taxes and tithes are to be paid on time and in full.
3: No Usury
4: No hiring of any military forces. That's what the royal army is for.

[Ardas]

Well, its not up to you, but to Erik. And having soldiers and ships will be kinda necessary for me, since there are raiders and pirates everywhere.

[Taricus]

That's why I mentioned the royal army. Can't have our taxes or supplies being stolen.

[Ardas]

Yeah, you and what army? From what I know, most of the royal troops are on a permament leave 6 feet under the miring.