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[squeakyReaper]

Here's a fun one; what do you have to use to still have an "open" hand for wrestling?  I've always been inspired by the tale of the Colossus and the Wambler, but my practice of one weapon and a shield has stopped me.  How can I be considered open for wrestling, while not sacrificing the offense of a weapon and the defense of a shield?

• Do bucklers take up a hand?  As in, could a sword and a buckler still leave me open?  Shields take it up, but their smaller cousins...?
• If I use a two handed weapon, does it literately occupy both hands?  A long sword wielding dwarf of a great sword wielding human, could they throw if they had nothing else?
• Does a crossbow leave an open hand for grappling?
• If I go "confused turtle" style, as in two shields, could I throw?  Or would they have to be...
• Two left handed items?  Say, equipping a sword AND a shield to one arm, would that work?

Wrestling isn't the most effective option, and dwarves are too small to make full use of it.  But throwing and taking enemies down is just too action-hero cool to not use.

[nogoodnames]

With a backpack and some inventory management you can hold a theoretically infinite number of items in one hand.

[Corneria]

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

[squeakyReaper]

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

I know.  But for wrestling, a hand has to be un-occupied in order to be used.  Hands can throw, pinch and choke whereas legs/arms can't, so I want one open.

[UristMcHuman]

You don't need an open hand to wrestle. I've choked enemies to death with my forearm before. I also tried grabbing with weapons, but it doesn't work.

[onarum]

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

I know.  But for wrestling, a hand has to be un-occupied in order to be used.  Hands can throw, pinch and choke whereas legs/arms can't, so I want one open.

you can throw, choke and break limbs with wrestling locks even with a weapon and a shield equipped, the only use a free hand would have is for disarming I think.

[squeakyReaper]

Well I know you can choke with forearms and what not, but I want to throw.

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

I know.  But for wrestling, a hand has to be un-occupied in order to be used.  Hands can throw, pinch and choke whereas legs/arms can't, so I want one open.

you can throw, choke and break limbs with wrestling locks even with a weapon and a shield equipped, the only use a free hand would have is for disarming I think.

You can?  I probably should have cracked open DF before posting this, but I'm away from the proper computer atm....  could have sworn there's no hand option when you're wielding things, and grappling with swords/shields is only locks.

[onarum]

Well I know you can choke with forearms and what not, but I want to throw.

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

I know.  But for wrestling, a hand has to be un-occupied in order to be used.  Hands can throw, pinch and choke whereas legs/arms can't, so I want one open.

you can throw, choke and break limbs with wrestling locks even with a weapon and a shield equipped, the only use a free hand would have is for disarming I think.

You can?  I probably should have cracked open DF before posting this, but I'm away from the proper computer atm....  could have sworn there's no hand option when you're wielding things, and grappling with swords/shields is only locks.

well, maybe there isn't a specific hand option, but you definitely can throw, choke and break limbs by grabbing with your lower right arm for example.

[RAKninja]

Well I know you can choke with forearms and what not, but I want to throw.

Hands don't really work that way in DF. You can hold as much as you want in a hand, even several weapons in each with shields.

I know.  But for wrestling, a hand has to be un-occupied in order to be used.  Hands can throw, pinch and choke whereas legs/arms can't, so I want one open.

you can throw, choke and break limbs with wrestling locks even with a weapon and a shield equipped, the only use a free hand would have is for disarming I think.

You can?  I probably should have cracked open DF before posting this, but I'm away from the proper computer atm....  could have sworn there's no hand option when you're wielding things, and grappling with swords/shields is only locks.

well, maybe there isn't a specific hand option, but you definitely can throw, choke and break limbs by grabbing with your lower right arm for example.

not in every location.  for example, you can not gouge eyes without a free hand.  pinching takes a hand as well.  i forget all of the specifics, but hands do have more options.

[Logrin]

And although you might not be able to choke something much larger then yourself out....you can certainly blind them.

I actually go misc object/wrestler...especially if you get lucky and end up with a massively heavy artifact sheild in Fortress mode. If you -grab- your foe sucessfully, they can't actually -dodge- your incomming platinum sheild!

Even better you can pull a Captain America and toss that thing into a fleeing bandit's spine

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[Knarfle]

When wrestling, I usually keep a hand or two free for disarming/de-robing (whatever you call it when you rip their armor/clothes off).

There's just something fun about strangling an enemy to death with their own underwear, or embedding weapons of several bandit lord's goons in their stomach. Dropping every weapon I embed in them, and letting them walk around like a magician trick gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[Knarfle]

And although you might not be able to choke something much larger then yourself out....you can certainly blind them.

I actually go misc object/wrestler...especially if you get lucky and end up with a massively heavy artifact sheild in Fortress mode. If you -grab- your foe sucessfully, they can't actually -dodge- your incomming platinum sheild!

Even better you can pull a Captain America and toss that thing into a fleeing bandit's spine

Classic

Blindness has an effect? Do blind demons suffer from the negative side of being blind? (Positive: Thinking Demon Hunter from Warcraft 3, or maybe Daredevil.)

[CriticallyAshamed]

For the record the throw you are thinking of was not the wrestling throw move. A wrestling throw is a slightly stronger "takedown" that will stun the enemy. Unless you happen to be size:100000000000000 in which case you will literally blow apart just about anything by throwing them around. The throw of the wambler was the "t" style throw, where you somehow manage to propel potentially any object into a spin at some poor creature. This has also been nerfed as of late however.

Hands are good for disarms and for eye gouges. Apart from that they aren't special. Pinching hands can be a good way to spam train wrestling however.

Blindness pretty much means you can see 1 square in each direction. Almost all attacks will miss (almost, you'll still probably get headshotted by a legless, bone-chipped, disembowelled, blind goblin archer because computers hate you) when you're blind.

[Logrin]

As a human, you can throw other humans/goblins/wolves a few squares when you chose throw instead of take-down.

And I know of at least one instance of an adventurer throwing someone into the path of a crossbow bolt, like a ninja.

The -problem- comes from the direction being randomly chosen. So you can toss the foe on a collision course with -yourself- as well!

[UristMcHuman]

Blindness pretty much means you can see 1 square in each direction.

Technically, you can't see when you're blind. Those single squares in front of you are how far you can reach.