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Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« on: August 09, 2011, 10:14:19 pm »
Along with the forest retreats and mountain homes? I haven't heard anything about it but I am wondering. This next update IS the city update after all.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 10:46:57 pm »
i keep seeing references to an upcoming update, where do people find the info on this?
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 10:48:45 pm »
The main DF page has Toady's most recent developments, as well as the DF talks.

Don't know about anything but human villages actually-- although if he's doing dwarf/elf housing, I don't see why the goblins wouldn't be getting it too.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 11:01:13 pm »
No sorry for misleading I meant is he going to re add dark fortresses ALONG with elf retreats and dorf homes because i have heard nothing about it.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 11:08:42 pm »
No. I've heard they might be re-implemented at some point during the army arc, and maybe it will get added earlier if Toady feels like it but it's definitely not going into this release.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 11:33:11 pm »
None of the old settlements are going in the next release, and probably not for a while. Cities are getting updated, but just the human ones.

However, necromancers will live in big ol' dark towers for you to raid, although they'll be a bit different from the goblin towers (Toady described them as "zombie piñatas).
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 11:55:19 pm »
Quote from: CT on August 09, 2011, 11:01:13 pm
No sorry for misleading I meant is he going to re add dark fortresses ALONG with elf retreats and dorf homes because i have heard nothing about it.
Dark fortresses will come at the same time as the elf retreats and dwarf homes, yes. However the upcoming release is not that time.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 05:54:16 am »
Given that human cities are now wonderfully complex, creating race-specific city and fortress designs, for three races, is going to be a pretty epic endeavor. The necessary framework and blue print has been created with human cities I think, and he's going to tweak that to get the various other kinds of cities. He's been talking about Elven Tree Cities forever, and that they would require some kind of special re-write to work.

So all in all locations for the other races are going to take just as long I think, to do all three, as it did to get human cities working. On top of all the OTHER crap that's in the army arc, we're not going to see these for some time.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 05:58:11 am »
I don't know how well this will work with our new, beautifully-detailed cities, but I know in the current version you can mod goblins to live in human settlements, with a few bugs...
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 12:40:48 pm »
Does anyone know what he has talked about adding in the army arc? a link would be appreciated.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 01:06:19 pm »
Quote from: Yoink on August 10, 2011, 05:58:11 am
I don't know how well this will work with our new, beautifully-detailed cities, but I know in the current version you can mod goblins to live in human settlements, with a few bugs...
i hope he leaves the current housing system in so that we can keep giving goblins and elves towns to live in if we choose, without them having the same new wonderfully complex cities.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 01:11:30 pm »
The Army Arc plans are too large for one link to contain them all. :p

A very good bet go to the stuff listed under Military and Fortress Starting Scenarios listed on the current dev page here. The army arc is also mentioned in DF Talk 11 (and tangentially others, such as 12 and 13, with regards to the hill dwarves and government types), where it shows that the army arc should also be strong on politics and politicking.

The dev_next page here is outdated (and hard to read), but might also be a good indicator of what could come in. Similarly, the dev_single page here.

Basically, we could/should be looking at waging wars, waging politics, political landscapes, nobles waging politics with you, fortress starting scenarios and hill dwarves (helping to get to the worldgen army numbers, among others), putting a stop to sieges ex nihilo, formations, schisms, succession struggles, meeting and joining (or confronting) armies in adventure mode etc etc...
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 01:27:36 pm »
All I know is, until dark towers, forest retreats, and mountainhomes are back and working properly, the goblins, dwarves, and elves in my worlds will be modded to live in cities.
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 03:37:07 pm »
Woo the army arc sounds freaking great. The only thing that makes me sad is that it's gonna be a few years before we get it :(
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Re: Is toady adding dark fortresses in the new update?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 04:08:50 pm »
No.

Quote from: CT on August 09, 2011, 10:14:19 pm
Along with the forest retreats and mountain homes? I haven't heard anything about it but I am wondering.
If you do not heard anything, then it will not happen any time soon, if at all. Toady would write in devlog about something like that.

Quote from: CT on August 09, 2011, 10:14:19 pm
This next update IS the city update after all.
So what, this have nothing to do with dark fortresses and retreats.
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