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[Karnewarrior]

All I know is I'd love to play Elemental Rock Paper Scissors with the actual periodic table. Souped up of course; can't have those measly chemical reactions you see in real life!

It would be less Rock Paper Scissors and more Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon.


Also I figure that the Silicon Age in a thousand years will stay the Silicon Age, the Middle Ages will stay the Middle Ages, and they'll use the Silicon Age like we do the Renaissance; ie. They'll pick something interesting (And likely criminal) and use that to define the entire age, sort of like Pirates and Art are the only things people think of as the Renaissance, even though the age lasted up until Steam Power and Industrialism.

[Dsarker]

Terrorism and mad science?

[counting]

Counting, less than five hundred years ago, people knew that the Earth was the centre of the universe, and thus didn't move. After all, if it did move, there would have been a noticable parallax shift. Aristotle had proven it.

1. observations haven't changed, what they see in the sky moving is the same as we do 500 years ago, and it's not science determine the Earth be the center of the universe but religion. Unless like I said the future science is not the science we know today. (Where future findings are built upon the previous grounds)

2. The periodic table is just an observation, no matter what race or what era the human observed them in the same level. We can now even see inside the individual atom now. It's hard fact in observation right now. Unless there is a future tech where you can break the fundamental law of physic, I don't think it will fall into the land of fantasy, but a known ground fact in every basic settings. (which may never been brought up in story, like you won't describe that an armor should be hard so it will deflect attack.)

[kaijyuu]

Well, there's plenty of room for a new discovery or discoveries to shake the laws of physics as we know them. Relativity wasn't proposed all that long ago, you know.

[Dsarker]

Counting, less than five hundred years ago, people knew that the Earth was the centre of the universe, and thus didn't move. After all, if it did move, there would have been a noticable parallax shift. Aristotle had proven it.

1. observations haven't changed, what they see in the sky moving is the same as we do 500 years ago, and it's not science determine the Earth be the center of the universe but religion. Unless like I said the future science is not the science we know today.

No. It was Aristotle who had proved that. It was accepted by scientists up to the sixteenth century, at which point some scientists tried to prove that the sun was the centre of the universe.

2. The periodic table is just an observation, no matter what race or what era the human observed them in the same level. We can now even see inside the individual atom now. It's hard fact in observation right now. Unless there is a future tech where you can break the fundamental law of physic, I don't think it will fall into the land of fantasy, but a known ground fact in every basic settings. (which may never been brought up in story, like you won't describe that an armor should be hard so it will deflect attack.)

Gravity was observed by Newton. But we now know that he was wrong. We're assuming that for whatever reason, in the future the idea of elements is radically changed.

[counting]

Well, there's plenty of room for a new discovery or discoveries to shake the laws of physics as we know them. Relativity wasn't proposed all that long ago, you know.

Theory of Relativity doesn't render old classical physic invalid. Just modified them. You still learn Newton's law in every school teaching physic from the start, and will continue to do so in the future.

[counting]

No. It was Aristotle who had proved that. It was accepted by scientists up to the sixteenth century, at which point some scientists tried to prove that the sun was the centre of the universe.

Aristotle use philosophy not (modern) science. (Like I said the definition of science may change)

Gravity was observed by Newton. But we now know that he was wrong. We're assuming that for whatever reason, in the future the idea of elements is radically changed.

Newton's is correct. Gravity is the law. And the radical change in idea won't affect it, just how we interpreted it and with refined theory to back up the tiny modification. (Planets still moving around the stars, you drop a thing it will fall as in billions of years in the universe).

[Dsarker]

Counting, philosophy WAS the name for all the sciences in that day. He invented the idea of physics.

[counting]

Counting, philosophy WAS the name for all the sciences in that day. He invented the idea of physics.

I've said the meaning of science can be changed over time. It's possible the future science can be very different in definition with "modern science". In that case, we can't be sure about what it will look like. But just like philosophy becomes separate from scientific methods, but still remain a field of studying logic. It's very likely the same that the new super-science branches out from current science, but it doesn't make the "modern science" invalid (as philosophical logic still valid from thousands of years before, and not crossing the line of modern physics based on objective observations).

Just like you won't make the what-if theme in philosophy to build fantasy world, you choose those theme that are surround with mystery in the past. I don't doubt certain elements in current scientific theories can be wrong thus falling into mystic and false believes (they probably will), but choosing things like periodic table or gravity are not good cases. Perhaps in a more likelihood situation is that the elements in social science will be used as the amusement points (global warming perhaps?), possibly biology. (So many things we don't know about living things, and it will be linked to more ancient legends as current fantasy settings.)

[G-Flex]

It was also joked that the periodic table would replace the four "elements" common in fantasy, instead of earth, water, fire and air mages you'd have hydrogen, oxygen, sodium etc mages. Just imagine the coolness of two hydrogen mages and an air mage combining to form a water mage!

I know you stated this as a joke, but to respond to it anyway: The reason we use the classical elements for magic in fantasy is because we see those things in mystical, nonscientific terms. The only reason "retro-contemporary" fantasy would use the contemporary Periodic Table like that is if, in the future, it becomes obsolete in much the same way, and seen as similarly hocus-pocus. But I doubt it.

I'd say a giant conflict in the Middle East + mages would be a theme due to the ripe potential for conflict there. Some mages with powers based on their religions, and some given powers based on exposure to biological contaminants. Also, superheroes will likely be blended in for good measure. Captain Syria. It's go time.

Er, why would real-life locations like Syria and the Middle East be involved? Most high-fantasy doesn't involve real places at all, and those that do are mostly because they're based on folk tales from those places (e.g. King Arthur).

[Willfor]

I'd say a giant conflict in the Middle East + mages would be a theme due to the ripe potential for conflict there. Some mages with powers based on their religions, and some given powers based on exposure to biological contaminants. Also, superheroes will likely be blended in for good measure. Captain Syria. It's go time.

Er, why would real-life locations like Syria and the Middle East be involved? Most high-fantasy doesn't involve real places at all, and those that do are mostly because they're based on folk tales from those places (e.g. King Arthur).

Well, there are exceptions. I was thinking Alternate history + magic at the time.

This is my genre, given time I could give you a hundred ideas of how to do the modern day world as a setting in varying states of "this person in the future has done their research" and "this person has accidentally grouped three decades together, and probably failed their in-the-future history class." Not all of them are going to be good. Most of them will be fit only for the garbage without a good deal of refinement. It was the first thought that came to mind.

[Dsarker]

I'd say a giant conflict in the Middle East + mages would be a theme due to the ripe potential for conflict there. Some mages with powers based on their religions, and some given powers based on exposure to biological contaminants. Also, superheroes will likely be blended in for good measure. Captain Syria. It's go time.

Er, why would real-life locations like Syria and the Middle East be involved? Most high-fantasy doesn't involve real places at all, and those that do are mostly because they're based on folk tales from those places (e.g. King Arthur).

Well, there are exceptions. I was thinking Alternate history + magic at the time.

This is my genre, given time I could give you a hundred ideas of how to do the modern day world as a setting in varying states of "this person in the future has done their research" and "this person has accidentally grouped three decades together, and probably failed their in-the-future history class." Not all of them are going to be good. Most of them will be fit only for the garbage without a good deal of refinement. It was the first thought that came to mind.

Rambo vs the Sinister Scientists of Syria.

[Kay12]

Steampunk - steam + computers = Cyberpunk. Which is sci-fi, not fantasy. And an old and established genre.

I know about cyberpunk and steampunk. But cyberpunk is typically too futuristic, and of course it needs fantasy elements to be high fantasy.


Steampunk and cyberpunk aren't exclusively non-fantasy, by the way. Both genres allow plenty of room for low fantasy stuff like Lovecraftian horrors and stuff that's darned close magic despite not being called such, like psychics.

[Kay12]

Counting, philosophy WAS the name for all the sciences in that day. He invented the idea of physics.

It still is in some places. That's why there's "Ph" in "PhD".