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[CT]

...Because they are awesome...a bit of a hassle to train since you cant use danger rooms to train archery and the fact that they are random about practice and when they decide to pick up new arrows but other than that they just destroy everything./done gushing

[Urist Imiknorris]

You can train marksdwarves in a danger room. Just change the crossbow's melee skill to crossbow. Live fire's a good alternative if you don't want to do that.

[CT]

Thanks for that input does it require a world regen?

[Lectorog]

I don't think so, as you're just changing some properties.

[SenorOcho]

It's still just as cheaty as using danger rooms to begin with.  You cheaty cheater.

Who needs training, anyway?  If your 80+ marksdwarves aren't going through over a thousand bolts per siege, you're probably doing it like some kind of elf anyway.

[Jake]

It's still just as cheaty as using danger rooms to begin with.  You cheaty cheater.

Who needs training, anyway?  If your 80+ marksdwarves aren't going through over a thousand bolts per siege, you're probably doing it like some kind of elf anyway.

Loosing shaft after shaft in the general direction of the enemy and hoping to hit something eventually isn't necessarily a good idea now that wooden and bone bolts have been severely nerfed, and we have to take pot-luck with onsite mineral resources.

Besides, they're dwarves, not the Soviet infantry.

[Corneria]

It's still just as cheaty as using danger rooms to begin with.  You cheaty cheater.

Who needs training, anyway?  If your 80+ marksdwarves aren't going through over a thousand bolts per siege, you're probably doing it like some kind of elf anyway.

Loosing shaft after shaft in the general direction of the enemy and hoping to hit something eventually isn't necessarily a good idea now that wooden and bone bolts have been severely nerfed, and we have to take pot-luck with onsite mineral resources.

Besides, they're dwarves, not the Soviet infantry.

The Soviet Infantry? You mean one of the deadliest groups of people alive who had no issue with aim whatsoever and were capable of fighting under extreme duress? The ones who specifically did not "loose shaft after shaft" because of limited supplies and were forced to make much greater use of their resources?

Uh, yeah. They kinda are the Soviet Infantry.

[andyman564]

It's still just as cheaty as using danger rooms to begin with.  You cheaty cheater.

Who needs training, anyway?  If your 80+ marksdwarves aren't going through over a thousand bolts per siege, you're probably doing it like some kind of elf anyway.

Loosing shaft after shaft in the general direction of the enemy and hoping to hit something eventually isn't necessarily a good idea now that wooden and bone bolts have been severely nerfed, and we have to take pot-luck with onsite mineral resources.

Besides, they're dwarves, not the British infantry.

fix'd

seems to be accurate with Britain's style of warfare (at least up to WW2)

[TurkeyXIII]

They get pretty awesome pretty fast even without training.  Just let the sieges come to 'em and they'll figure out how to shoot a goblin pretty fast.  The ones that survive will kick arse!

[Darth_Karl]

It's accurratte to any pre-WW2 nations form of warfare actually.

[EddyP]

Training marksdwarves is easy. Just let them at the enemy.

[Biopass]

I'd rather have 20 untrained marksdwarves facing a goblin siege than 5 expertly trained. Because long before the goblins make it to melee range, they'll break and run in panic. It's a matter of how much sheer firepower you can put out. If you're good, you can even get away with wooden bolts (although I like to embark on iron-heavy sites just for iron bolts).

Can't marksdwarves also use shields in their off-hand? Seems to me that you could train them up on shields only in the danger room until they're legendary, at which point they'll be able to block just about anything.

...I kinda like the thought of dwarves hiding behind tower shields, winching up their crossbows, then popping out to fire.

[Keldane]

I'd rather have 20 untrained marksdwarves facing a goblin siege than 5 expertly trained. Because long before the goblins make it to melee range, they'll break and run in panic. It's a matter of how much sheer firepower you can put out. If you're good, you can even get away with wooden bolts (although I like to embark on iron-heavy sites just for iron bolts).

Can't marksdwarves also use shields in their off-hand? Seems to me that you could train them up on shields only in the danger room until they're legendary, at which point they'll be able to block just about anything.

...I kinda like the thought of dwarves hiding behind tower shields, winching up their crossbows, then popping out to fire.

[ITEM_SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_TOWER]
[NAME:tower shield:tower shields]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[BLOCKCHANCE:40]
[UPSTEP:MAX]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:8]

Slipping that into your Item_Shield RAW and then [SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_TOWER] in your dwarf Entity will allow you to have some thoroughly protective tower shields.

[Berserkenstein]

I'd rather have 20 untrained marksdwarves facing a goblin siege than 5 expertly trained. Because long before the goblins make it to melee range, they'll break and run in panic. It's a matter of how much sheer firepower you can put out. If you're good, you can even get away with wooden bolts (although I like to embark on iron-heavy sites just for iron bolts).

Can't marksdwarves also use shields in their off-hand? Seems to me that you could train them up on shields only in the danger room until they're legendary, at which point they'll be able to block just about anything.

...I kinda like the thought of dwarves hiding behind tower shields, winching up their crossbows, then popping out to fire.

Goblins never make it to melee range if you use fortifications and only accomplished (skill level 10) archers can shoot back at your marksdwarves unless they are standing right next to the fortifications, which is impossible if you dig a ditch. 

I have found that advanced goblin archers are very rare, either its a goblin leader or its much later in the game where your marksdwarfs should be decked out in armor and high levels in dodge and marksdwarfship.

I don't even bother giving my marksdwarves shields either, since my melee squads are the ones who engage after the marksdwarves soften them up or make them flee. 

They don't get away though...

"Oh, I'm afraid the deflector bridge will be quite operational when my friends arrive!"

[malimbar04]

I don't use marksdwarves much, but when I do I generally train them via hunting and bone bolts. With how fast they become legendary while hunting, I'm surprised more people don't train that way.