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[Neonivek]

Well, that's relying too much on the developers and the fans, since difficulty is subjective. I imagine some guy managed to make a completely working dwarf fortress on his first try, while someone else dies within a few seconds of playing Pacman. It's all subjective, and that's why it's still vague.

Simple requirement: I don't see the developers advertise its difficulty AND I don't see its fans advertise its difficulty

Not vague at all.

[Korbac]

I'm afraid your first point is a matter of opinion Neon. Where a game is 'hard' but not 'too hard to be enjoyable' is very subjective.
The other two points are valid complaints though.

EDIT : Don't ADVERTISE it's difficulty, yet that's a factor? Hmmn. Well if the difficulty makes for a more appealing game, surely you would want to advertise it?

[Neonivek]

I'm afraid your first point is a matter of opinion Neon. Where a game is 'hard' but not 'too hard to be enjoyable' is very subjective.
The other two points are valid complaints though.

EDIT : Don't ADVERTISE it's difficulty, yet that's a factor? Hmmn. Well if the difficulty makes for a more appealing game, surely you would want to advertise it?

The first point isn't matter of oppinion it is purely subjective.

Also no you wouldn't want to advertise its difficulty in the same way you do not advertise the fact that the game is pathetically easy (Dear goodness I got a game and a review said to put it on its highest difficulty... I did and it is STILL pathetically easy: Anachronox is the easiest RPG I played in my life... and I am including the quasi-RPG where you solved math to kill the dragon).

Hard is not the staple of quality. Yet it is treated as a feature and only because of the tend of pathetically easy games.

So yes you WOULD want to advertise it as being hard. Yet then you create people making a game in order to be hard where my problem comes from.

either way the game I wish existed is a modern game that is hard but:
1) Isn't advertised as hard
2) The fans do not advertise as hard

[Akura]

I don't know why, probably reading too much of the western civ books in the college bookstore, but I had an idea of a game where 19th century imperialist countries found/created portals to a fantasy world. And then began to ruthlessly exploit it.


Also, I wouldn't mind seeing a game where you manage a Middle East insurgent group, kinda like a FPS/strategy-style Liberal Crime Squad set in the Middle East.

[Neonivek]

I don't know why, probably reading too much of the western civ books in the college bookstore, but I had an idea of a game where 19th century imperialist countries found/created portals to a fantasy world. And then began to ruthlessly exploit it.


Also, I wouldn't mind seeing a game where you manage a Middle East insurgent group, kinda like a FPS/strategy-style Liberal Crime Squad set in the Middle East.

I can only think of one game anywhere close to this where you control a middle eastern country. Iran and Egypt are deadly.

What stops this game from being made is that people are very VERY discriminant against middle eastern countries and simply DO NOT understand the politics or people. Just look at the whole "Iran is getting nukes" situation and see how it much it might as well have been "Terrorists are getting nukes" to other people's perception.

[timferius]

I don't know why, probably reading too much of the western civ books in the college bookstore, but I had an idea of a game where 19th century imperialist countries found/created portals to a fantasy world. And then began to ruthlessly exploit it.

That's kind of an awesome idea. If I ever get to actually writting stuff, I may steal it! Heart of Darkness meets Middle Earth.

[Scelly9]

I don't know why, probably reading too much of the western civ books in the college bookstore, but I had an idea of a game where 19th century imperialist countries found/created portals to a fantasy world. And then began to ruthlessly exploit it.


Also, I wouldn't mind seeing a game where you manage a Middle East insurgent group, kinda like a FPS/strategy-style Liberal Crime Squad set in the Middle East.

I can only think of one game anywhere close to this where you control a middle eastern country.

What game?

[Niveras]

Any Total War set in Europe/Mediterranean? But you control the country, not just an insurgent group set in the country.

[Remuthra]

A good Sci-Fi Dungeon Keeperlike.

[WillowLuman]

A game where your only weapon is falconry. You can train the birds to do different things, like one dedicated to plucking out people's eyes, and another kind of like a sniper weapon that flies into people at high speeds and breaks their spine / knocks them down. And it would be kind of like sniper elite with kill cams.

You'd probably be some mongolian tribal person going out on an adventure. Maybe at some point you can go to New Zealand and get one of those giant extinct eagles. The worst enemy in the game would be some guy with a club that you can hardly hit because he knocks your birds out of the air.

[Rose]

I don't know why, probably reading too much of the western civ books in the college bookstore, but I had an idea of a game where 19th century imperialist countries found/created portals to a fantasy world. And then began to ruthlessly exploit it.

There's a manga that has that sort of premise, though it's modern day tokyo.

[Draco18s]

A game where your only weapon is falconry.

That would be awesome.

[Draco18s]

either way the game I wish existed is a modern game that is hard but:
1) Isn't advertised as hard
2) The fans do not advertise as hard

Does Unreal World count as modern?

Probably not, but it does fit your criteria, I think.  URW is know for being hard (including some of the most unfair starting scenarios in any game ever), but it's not really it's selling point.
(Also, I just paid for a lifetime license, as I'm going to be out of town for the next two weeks with an unknown level of internet connection, and URW is a game I can easily run on my laptop)

[itisnotlogical]

A game set in your typical Nintendo-style "rescue the princess" fantasy land, with the exception that you are the ruler. Rather than the standard "send X guys to Y location to maximize the production of Z resource", you have to manage a kingdom where 100 coins give citizens a second lease on life and you constantly need to protect your daughter from kidnappers. What does war in the Mushroom Kingdom actually look like, after all? Where does Bowser live? What do you do with all the Koopas and Goombas once the war is over?

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Mario and Bowser are two fictitious characters created by the Toadstool administration, their fabricated rivalry and kidnapping of the princess serve two purposes.
First it allows further exploitation of the Koopas to the east. This fuelling of cultural hate helps the Toadstool administration to oppress civil liberties and to help cover up human right abuses.   
Secondarily it shifts focus onto the incompetent Peach dynasty which rules in name only. This allows the true ruler of the Toadstool administration, Toad, to scapegoat the royalty and to indoctrinate the citizens with nationalistic symbols and traditions.

Wart however is just a bloated toad.