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Sutremaine

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Butchery was started near the beginning of Spring, with the last slaughter taking place on Slate 14. Elephants had their grazer value upped to 45 a year or so ago, but are otherwise unmodded. Weights were taken by looking at the cage with the animal and then subtracting the weight of the cage.

Adults

Weight: 1152
Description: Huge, muscular and fat
Return: 12 fat, 25 meat, 18 bone

Weight: 1428
Description: Gigantic
Return: 12 fat, 25 meat, 26 bone

Weight: 1881
Description: Enormous build but is very skinny
Return: 12 fat, 45 meat, 26 bone

Weight: 2428
Description: Gigantic and quite fat
Return: 20 fat, 36 meat, 34 bone

Weight: 2930
Description: Gigantic yet incredibly weak
Return: 24 fat, 17 fat, 64 bone

Weight: 3210
Description: Untold amounts of fat over a gigantic frame
Return: 45 fat, 25 meat, 50 bone

Weight: 3869
Description: Very fat and enormous overall
Return: 51 fat, 32 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 4236
Description: Gigantic yet weak and skinny
Return: 20 fat, 73 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 4788
Description: Gigantic
Return: 26 fat, 90 meat, 54 bone

Weight: 6098
Description: -
Return: 36 fat, 118 meat, 64 bone

Calves

Weight: 1834
Description: Gigantic and muscular
Return: 12 fat, 42 meat, 26 bone

Weight: 2100
Description: Very muscular and just gigantic overall
Return: 12 fat, 51 meat, 26 bone

Weight: 2375
Description: Enormous yet very weak
Return: 20 fat, 25 meat, 42 bone

Weight: 2543
Description: Gigantic yet weak and skinny
Return: 18 fat, 36 meat, 42 bone

Weight: 2606
Description: Gigantic
Return: 18 fat, 45 meat, 38 bone

Weight: 2671
Description: Isn't very muscular but has a gigantic build
Return: 24 fat, 36 meat, 42 bone

Weight: 2877
Description: Gigantic
Return: 18 fat, 60 meat, 34 bone

Weight: 3016
Description: Gigantic
Return: 24 fat, 53 meat, 38 bone

Weight: 3575
Description: Enormous yet very weak
Return: 30 fat, 36 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 3800
Description: Enormous build but is very skinny
Return: 12 fat, 60 meat, 50 bone

Weight: 4014
Description: Very muscular and just gigantic overall
Return: 18 fat, 90 meat, 38 bone

Weight: 4466
Description: Gigantic and muscular
Return: 24 fat, 98 meat, 42 bone

Weight: 4544
Description: Gigantic and quite fat
Return: 43 fat, 64 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 4607
Description: Gigantic yet weak and skinny
Return: 24 fat, 77 meat, 63 bone

Weight: 5182
Description: Isn't very muscular but has a gigantic build
Return: 38 fat, 81 meat, 64 bone

Weight: 5643
Description: -
Return: 32 fat, 107 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 5669
Description: -
Return: 32 fat, 109 meat, 60 bone

Weight: 5759
Description: Gigantic and quite fat
Return: 38 fat, 109 fat, 56 bone

Weight: 6822
Description: Gigantic and muscular
Return: 32 fat, 150 meat, 64 bone

A count of other butchery products, done on Slate 14.

Eye:   2
Brain:   1-6
Lung:   2-12
Heart:   1-3
Liver:   1-6
Intestines:   2-18
Tripe:   1-6
Sweetbread:   1-3
Spleen:   1-3
Kidney: 1-6

Somebody definitely ate a kidney there. In all other cases but intestines, there were enough examples of the minimum figure that I'm comfortable reporting those. For intestines, the stocks at the end of butchering were 2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 14, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18.

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From this it seems that raw weight is far more important than the animal's description, which controls the distribution of fat, meat, and bone to a somewhat unpredictable degree.
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 09:50:27 pm »

So it looks like Gigantic and Muscular wins the day for meat eh? Makes sense.  I'm betting this is the same for other creatures, so this is a good way to breed specific types of creatures.. like gigantic, muscular dogs for war or gigantic, muscular.. cats.. for meat. 
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 10:01:28 pm »

Animals aren't at their max size when they become adults. You might just slaughtered the equivalent of elephant 13-year-olds and wondered why they don't gave more meat.
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 10:18:33 pm »

Animals aren't at their max size when they become adults.
Do animals continue to grow after reaching adulthood regardless of what the raws say about their size gains?
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 10:51:28 pm »

Quote from: raw
[CHILD:10]
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[BODY_SIZE:0:0:500000]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:2500000]
[BODY_SIZE:5:0:5000000]

Elephants reach full size when they are five years old they do not grow past that. So as long as all your elephants are adults, your experiment is accurate.
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 11:11:50 pm »

Nah, they're a mixture of adults, grown calves, and small calves. I haven't broken them down by size category because I don't think players pay that much attention to the exact age of their animals (and because I didn't know myself, although I could revert the save and use Runesmith to check). Considering the size and meat distribution between calf and adult it doesn't seem to make much difference.
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 11:37:43 pm »

Quote from: raw
[CHILD:10]
...
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:500000]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:2500000]
[BODY_SIZE:5:0:5000000]

Elephants reach full size when they are five years old they do not grow past that. So as long as all your elephants are adults, your experiment is accurate.

Point conceded, didn't know the specific elephant raws. But they have size differences of about 400% as full adults? Weird.
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Re: Weight, description, and butchery returns: an elephant experiment
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 12:41:42 am »

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From this it seems that raw weight is far more important than the animal's description, which controls the distribution of fat, meat, and bone to a somewhat unpredictable degree.

Yes. Or rather, the butchering results are derived from the body size of the creature, whereas weight depends on what that creature is made of.