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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2011, 12:54:05 pm »

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Venus immensely hot? I know I wouldn't want to live there.
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2011, 01:45:10 pm »

I'm hoping this technology goes somewhere myself. I'm kinda wary of relying on cybernetics.

 I think our best bet is the oceans myself, both the surface and the deep. Hopefully without destroying the ocean's ecosystem. We will probably need to limit the amount of children people can have though. Assuming of course that no plagues, wars, or other disasters keep human population in check.

Since here is the DF forum, I wonder why no one mention that "underground farming" is not fictional. Actually we can grow mushroom, many different kind of microbial and fungus for food. They don't need light, some don't even need oxygen, require less water, and they produce high protein that crops and plants lack, and they don't compete with surface agriculture.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Venus immensely hot? I know I wouldn't want to live there.

It's because of the high pressure on the "solid surface" of Venus. And the dense atmosphere absorbs heat and create green house effect. So in practical term and engineering point, it's better to build floating structure on high altitude in the dense atmosphere. We can avoid heat and pressure problem altogether, and since the dense air, floating structure is much easier to maintain altitude as well.
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2011, 01:58:36 pm »

Anyone wondering about the artificial eye idea, here's a schematic for ya....
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2011, 02:59:53 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.
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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2011, 03:11:53 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.
Is that a challence to eat 2 1/2 times my body weight in vegetables in a day?
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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2011, 03:18:49 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.
Is that a challence to eat 2 1/2 times my body weight in vegetables in a day?
I think it's more a challenge to eat the meat that eats that much in vegetables a day, which makes a bit more sense.
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2011, 03:22:34 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.
Is that a challence to eat 2 1/2 times my body weight in vegetables in a day?
I think it's more a challenge to eat the meat that eats that much in vegetables a day, which makes a bit more sense.
I like the sound of this.
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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2011, 03:28:53 pm »

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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2011, 03:30:49 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.
In the future, we're all Americans. Which means we need that 200kg of crops to maintain our personal herds of genetically-modified cheeseburgers with legs.
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« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2011, 04:03:19 pm »

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I can DEFINITELY beat that challenge.
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2011, 04:25:21 pm »

We will probably need to limit the amount of children people can have though. Assuming of course that no plagues, wars, or other disasters keep human population in check.
Not necessary. Child limitation laws only really serve to abuse human rights, populations stabilize on their own once they hit the end of the J-curve in all species, including humans. You can see this in Europe, which has no child limit laws, but has almost no population growth. In some regions, the population is actually going down.

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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2011, 04:36:54 pm »

I am confused by the initial calculation. It must just be the wording. A single adult does not, in fact, consume 200kg of crops per day.

My sentence was not construct correctly. Simply put 1 g of carbohydrate diet (as mainly crops) can provide 4 Kcal. If 2000 Kcal/day is needed for an adult, then it translates to 500g = 0.5kg/day. 365 day's a year means 0.5*365 ~ 180kg/year. I rounded it to 200kg = 0.2 tons for the calculate convenience, and factor in some food waste about 10%.
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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2011, 04:38:31 pm »

There's no reason to presume 1% population growth. Countries that grow sufficiently wealthy adopt negative population growth, and many countries with high birth rates barely manage their own replacement rates. Lastly, the UN reports everyone on earth could be fed 2700 calories with current crop yields.

The planet is underpopulated, really.
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Re: 1 trillion people in the future
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2011, 04:41:55 pm »

The planet is underpopulated, really.
My question: Is there a point where we could have more population but don't want it?
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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2011, 04:46:17 pm »

Lastly, the UN reports everyone on earth could be fed 2700 calories with current crop yields.
Yeah, actual famines (literally no food is present) became impossible several decades ago, only political-fueled famine (corruption and war keeps food from reaching starving people) really still exists.
The planet is underpopulated, really.
My question: Is there a point where we could have more population but don't want it?
Truth be told, that might be reality for everywhere but Central Africa in a couple of decades. The nations there are the only ones that still have high population growth, even areas like Iraq match the USA in population growth, and as before, Europe is losing people.
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