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[Aklyon]

So windows 10 has the 'You use this our way, or you go buy something thats actually approved by us and stop trying to work around us' approach to fixing drivers?

That surely won't bite them in the ass at somepoint.

[wierd]

pretty much.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/install/kernel-mode-code-signing-policy--windows-vista-and-later-

usb drivers are a storage class endpoint enumerator device, and need a kernel driver.

video cards also need a kernel driver, so no inf doctoring there either.

about the only thing that is usermode is printers and scanners.

[gimlet]

Does your PC have any USB2 ports?   Try plugging the mouse into one of those?

[wierd]

the same controller provides the usb2 and usb3 function.

[alexandertnt]

That's strange, I have unsigned drivers for my RTL-SDR dongle, and all I had to do was push yes to a warning during install and its worked fine.

IIRC there is a developer mode you can enable that might let you install these USB3 drivers. I went to check if it was enabled on my computer, but then settings window froze. Even after closing it I can't open the settings window at all Win8 may have had an awful GUI, but at least it was stable.

[CABL]

Is it worth to upgrade from Win7 Service Pack 1 to Win7 Service Pack 2? 'cause when i looked on System's properties, i saw this. Blue (read: clickable) text with red underline translates to "get access to additional functions by installing new Windows 7 release" (which probably means new service pack). Should i do it or avoid it like plague?

[Rose]

Sp2 is fine.

Win10 is better.

[Aklyon]

Sp2 is fine.

Win10 is better.

No.
It is at best a sidegrade, considering all the broken (or not-letting-you-fix-it) issues I've had to help with recently not on the forum. I wouldn't say its better until win7 stops receiving updates, and only then from a practical security view.

[CABL]

Sp2 is fine.

Win10 is better.

If someone asked me to rank Windows versions which i use/used, it'll be like that (from best to worst):

1. Windows 7. Definitive version of Windows, it's stable, pretty fast (if you have good hardware), pretty, supports 64-bit, and secure. Do you need anything more from it? Recommended!
2. Windows 10. Basically moderately improved Windows 8.1. Same out-of-place, looking-like-smartphone design, expect it's looks more like old good Win7. If you have win 8.1 and you're not afraid of Microsoft collecting your personal data, then go ahead. Otherwise, stay away.
3. Windows 8.1. Smartphone-like interface, eye-tearing starting screen, low framerate in 4 years old games, feels like you use giant tablet/smartphone with keyboard attached to it. Not recommended!
4. Windows Vista. The only positive quality about this buggy-like-licensed-game, slow-like-snail, unstable-like-nuclear-reactor thing, is that it looks prettier than Windows 8.1. What i also can say about this... "technological masterpiece"? Early version was so friggin' unstable, that it had 50% chance to go BSOD when i pressed F11-F12 to raise/lower volume.
If you see copy of Windows Vista, run away as fast as you can!

[Flying Dice]

XP would top out that list if it was still being updated.

Actually I also recall 95 and 98 running better than Vista or 8 ever did.

[wierd]

Lol, with some tricks, you can run 9x off a USB flash disk, using a compressed ramdisk. These days, that kind of memory is trivial to throw around.  Runs like a bat out of hell. Lol!

This thread isn't quite appropriate for a how-to, but I will pm the process if anyone really wants to know how to do it.

[i2amroy]

XP would top out that list if it was still being updated.

Honestly 7 blew a lot of XP's stuff out of the water, people just don't like change.

And IMO 10/7 are honestly about at the same point right now. (I previously recommended updating to 10, but seeing as anybody reading this now has missed the chance to do so for free... eh). The significant differences that I've noted between the two is that 10 definitely runs smoother on a lot of hardware than 7 does, at the cost of you needing to take a little extra time when you first install it to disable a lot of the snoopy stuff (to address anyone who claims that things are getting changed back spookily, I've ran Windows 10 since shortly after the official version came out, and I've never had Windows 10 "rollback" any of my changes at all) and customize a fair bit of the UI (which is, to be honest, way more flexible without extensions than the 7 UI was. The default might be "smartphone-esque", but take 5 min to customize it and it can pretty much look identical to 7).

[wierd]

for me, it is a matter of principle.  the way they handled the free upgrade offer was way too pushy. only at the very very end of the offer period did they offer a "no, really. please stop asking me, i really dont want to upgrade" option.  prior, it assumed you did, and would schedule an upgrade without asking.

[i2amroy]

for me, it is a matter of principle.  the way they handled the free upgrade offer was way too pushy. only at the very very end of the offer period did they offer a "no, really. please stop asking me, i really dont want to upgrade" option.  prior, it assumed you did, and would schedule an upgrade without asking.

Fair enough. I guess I just don't really hold the bad work of the update/advertising teams against the work of the core OS programmers.

[Aklyon]

I'm sure the core OS programmers did well.
Its just a bit hard to see thier work under the worse-looking default interface and the work of the advertising team.