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[miauw62]

I'm fairly sure that the 1080 isn't even on Nvidia's new architecture, actually, which should be coming out soonish. (and will probably be much more cost-effective)

No sources, sorry, just hearsay.

[Lord Shonus]

I'm fairly sure that the 1080 isn't even on Nvidia's new architecture, actually, which should be coming out soonish. (and will probably be much more cost-effective)

No sources, sorry, just hearsay.

Pascal is the codename for a GPU microarchitecture developed by Nvidia as the successor to the Maxwell microarchitecture. The Pascal microarchitecture was introduced April 2016 with the GP100 chip and on May 27, 2016 with the GP104 chip to be found on the GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 labeled graphics cards, as part of the GeForce 10 series which incorporate TSMC's 16 nm FinFET technology.[1][2]

The architecture is named after Blaise Pascal, the 17th century mathematician.

The GTX 1080 is on Nvidia's new architecture

[miauw62]

Ah, nice, didn't know that.

[chaotic skies]

It's going to take a while to earn the money to pay for it anyway, so I'm expecting to have to change a few things and spend a bit more. And the Vive is on there simply to give me an idea of final cost with the Vive; it's going to take a bit to get the computer set up before I could even use the Vive.

[Sonlirain]

Well AMD shown their new RX 480 on the polaris architecture and compared it with a GTX 1080.
It actually beat the GTX in FPS while playing Ashes of Singularity.

There was a catch tho.
RX 480 was actually 2 cards using Xfire but it's supposedly ok because 2 Radeons will be only $500... so cheaper than a GTX 1080.
Also One RX 480 is supposedly enough to use with VR and is only 199-229 dollars.
I must admit. AMD seems to still hang in the game... altho just barely and will be super reliant on whether game devs play nice with Xfire or not.
On the bright side any hardware heavy game already supports SLI in some way so it should be mostly ok and the new GPUs are said to need no more than a 700W PSU (when using 2 naturally).

At least that's what AMD says about their product we still need to wait for independent tests.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-480-vr,31951.html

tl;dr
If you want to play with VR consider our RX 480 for $200.
If you want to play games in extreme detail with high FPS consider getting 2 for Xfire because it's still cheaper than a single 1080 and has similar performance.
If you want to get 2 GTX 1080's... we got nothing. Sorry have fun with your green cards.

[Thief^]

That 480 is damn tempting.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they have a higher-end card in the works, (like a new Fury), and historically they've liked having a something90 as well. It's clearly not ready yet, but maybe by Christmas? I suspect we can expect a new Titan as well at some point.

EDIT: Also while I don't have personal experience, doesn't DX12 have some native support for multi-gpu? Maybe crossfire/SLi will be much better supported in future.

[Sonlirain]

Oh i'm sure SLI/Xfire support will go up in quality. Especially if VR gets enough momentum.
So far VR is the modern equivalent of the NeoGeo home console... so pretty much literally a "rich kid" toy everyone wants but not everyone will get (at least not this decade.)

And you can be sure AMD will do everything they can on their side for Xfire to work because unless they make a high end fury capable of directly competing with the 1080... well the Xfire RX is their foothold in the power enthusiast market... and i can only imagine.

Jesus Christ if the leak is true...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1 6-pin.
What the hell.

[Aklyon]

Speaking of amd, I have a future-upgrade question for you guys. Right now I have a desktop that looks like this with 12gb RAM and some other stuff like the case or the monitor not being anything special to point out on there, and it works alright for what it was supposed to be: Pretty cheap but better than my old laptop. Would it be better to upgrade individual parts (and what parts would be worth looking at if so), or build a fancier one much later with more powerful and new parts?

[BigD145]

If they can keep their drivers playing nice with everything under the sun, good on them. So far they haven't been able to do that.

[Sonlirain]

Speaking of amd, I have a future-upgrade question for you guys. Right now I have a desktop that looks like this with 12gb RAM and some other stuff like the case or the monitor not being anything special to point out on there, and it works alright for what it was supposed to be: Pretty cheap but better than my old laptop. Would it be better to upgrade individual parts (and what parts would be worth looking at if so), or build a fancier one much later with more powerful and new parts?

12 Gb of ram should last you a good while. What are the timings and speed tho and is it DDR2 3 or 4?
For now 8 GB is enough for... pretty much anything.
In fact considering your CPU and GPU it's pretty literally overkill and i'm willing to bet nothing really uses more than 4 gigs in this setup.
More than 8 gigs is only good if you are heavy into image/video edition and run a virtual machine on your PC.

Anyway i'd suggest waiting a bit to see how AMD's Zen turns out and then switching out... pretty much everything that's not the PSU and possibly ram.
R7 240 nano is weaksauce and that Athlon is past its prime.

EDIT: The one thing you could possibly do right now is replace the GPU now and upgrade the rest later.

If they can keep their drivers playing nice with everything under the sun, good on them. So far they haven't been able to do that.

Well this is literally their lifeline now. If the screw up and Xfire won't be used by video games then... well the 480 is still a powerful midrange option for a reasonable price.

[Aklyon]

Well, I occasionally have stuff that uses a lot of ram (or seems to) like modded minecraft, or modded starsector, modded xcom2, etc. Was worth it to be a bit overkill on the ram. According to Rammon its ddr3 ram (ddr3-1333 for the smaller 4gb part, ddr3-1600 for the 8gb one), and the timings are 9-9-9-24 for the 4gb part and 9-9-9-27 for the 8gb part.

[Sonlirain]

Hmm... i'm surprised the ram is not making a fuss about you mixing and matching. Last time i mixed rams i had regular bluescreens.
Well if it works for you then great still i don't think the extra ram helps all that much since i literally never had a ram shortage with 8.

Still as i said you might want to upgrade the GPU. The CPU is past its prime and barely in there.

Other than that i'd suggest waiting because if Zen is anywhere near good it will bring CPU prices down.
Similarly RX 480 is looking quite pretty and affordable and will most certainly bring prices down if Nvidia decides to put up a fight in the low/medium price GPU market so i expect the average bank for the buck ratio go up significantly in the coming months.

[Aklyon]

I'm certainly not going to be able to replace anything before the RX 480 comes out anyway, I'd need more money. Thanks for the suggestions Sonlirain.

[Thief^]

Huh my laptop might give your desktop a run for its money (Has a more recent but lower-clocked AMD quad, with an R7 m260).

It might be worth upgrading to 2x 8GB 1600 MHz sticks, your system probably supports dual-channel memory but that requires two matched modules. Assuming you don't upgrade to DDR4 with a new processor/motherboard soon.

If you're a fan of AMD I'd 2nd the suggestion to get a RX480 when they are available and look out for the AMD Zen CPUs being released and make a CPU decision later. So far we are pretty sure Zen is going to be comparable IPC and single-thread performance to Intel, and going up to an 8-core (made of two 4-core modules on one die) with a quad core lower model (with just one module). The leaked core image was very rectangular, so there may well be a doubled-up 16-core version or a version with a GPU paired (i.e. an APU) that is still a full 8-core CPU.

[Sonlirain]

Wouldn't it be more worthwhile to leave ram as is and upgrade later on to DDR4?
The CPU and motherboard has to go anyway and getting 16 gigs of DDR3 now would be a waste.