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Insanegame27

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2280 on: December 19, 2015, 02:15:49 am »
It has fallen unto me to teach my primary school teacher to make webpages. And I am kinda scared. Any tips? I know how to HTML, Javascript and CSS, but I am terrible at explaining it.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2281 on: December 19, 2015, 07:34:30 am »
HTML:  Just go over the basics. <a> tag, <embed> tag, <font> tag, etc...  and the various essential sections <html>,<head>,<body>. Once she has those down, THEN do fun stuff like <script>, <meta>, <td>, etc.

Once she has a good grasp of very basic HTML, and knows how variables and scripts work, and does not need constant hand holding, THEN go into other script languages besides javascript, and ease her into things like CSS, PHP, and pals. (While I rather hate using vbscript in webpages, there are times where javascript really isnt up to the task for certain things you might want a webpage to do. It is possible to have some script components in javascript and others in vbscript, with passed variables and conditions, for example. That's not very elegant, but sometimes ugly hacks are what work.)

More than likely though, she will get about 5 steps in, and go "Oh, this is hard, I dont want to do this-- Can you just do it all for me?" at which point you should remind her that webpage creation is something people get paid to do, and ask if she wants to hire your services.



 
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2282 on: December 19, 2015, 08:59:20 am »
I feel like pointing out the teacher in question is an ex-counter-special-forces male...
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« Reply #2283 on: December 19, 2015, 09:12:54 am »
The gender is immaterial--  Coding, even easy stuff like that found in webpages, is not a mainstream aptitude.  Special forces training does not exactly prepare one's mind for hard formal logic, like is needed with computer algorithms.

It might imply that he has more grit than the average person, (eg, may stick with a difficult task until complete), but that does not mean that the instruction will be completely worthwhile for him.

Be that as it may, the basic process is the same. Start with the simple stuff, create foundations on which to build knowledge and competency of more complex things.
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« Reply #2284 on: December 19, 2015, 10:23:21 am »
Quote from: wierd on December 19, 2015, 09:12:54 am
The gender is immaterial--  Coding, even easy stuff like that found in webpages, is not a mainstream aptitude.  Special forces training does not exactly prepare one's mind for hard formal logic, like is needed with computer algorithms.

It might imply that he has more grit than the average person, (eg, may stick with a difficult task until complete), but that does not mean that the instruction will be completely worthwhile for him.

Be that as it may, the basic process is the same. Start with the simple stuff, create foundations on which to build knowledge and competency of more complex things.

I think he's afraid that the Spec Op will cross "The line" snap his neck sever the head and pour white phosphor down the esophagus rather than being worried about his teaching prowess.
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« Reply #2285 on: December 19, 2015, 10:31:25 am »
That sounds excessive.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2286 on: December 19, 2015, 11:11:55 am »
Quote from: Insanegame27 on December 19, 2015, 08:59:20 am
I feel like pointing out the teacher in question is an ex-counter-special-forces male...

So he knows how to follow orders? Good. That should lead to zero arguments about what to code and how.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2287 on: December 19, 2015, 12:19:41 pm »
Quote from: Sonlirain on December 19, 2015, 10:23:21 am
I think he's afraid that the Spec Op will cross "The line" snap his neck sever the head and pour white phosphor down the esophagus rather than being worried about his teaching prowess.

"Sir... Sir! That's not how code gets written! Sir -- GAHHH!"

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« Reply #2288 on: December 19, 2015, 05:18:02 pm »
Do people still learn html these days instead of just using a program to do the job?
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2289 on: December 19, 2015, 05:20:41 pm »
Quote from: Shadowlord on December 19, 2015, 05:18:02 pm
Do people still learn html these days instead of just using a program to do the job?
Yes
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« Reply #2290 on: December 19, 2015, 05:58:59 pm »
They do if they want clean, efficient code.

Believe it or not, the sourcecode at Google.com WAS written by humans.

Automatic page markup programs (like pagemaker, and pals) produce webpages alright, but they do so using many unnecessary elements, ham-fisted scrip implementations, etc.

If you want to minimize traffic to your webserver, (many hosts charge you based on bandwidth), then you want to keep the file sizes down like it was still the 1990s. That's where much of the beauty of things like scripts embedded in pages are SUPPOSED to be. (NOT the stupid %&U$#ing facebook and google analytics cross-site tracking bullshite that I see everywhere.) Scripts can alter page content locally inside the browser of the viewer, and can do so without generating more traffic. It is possible to have a surprising amount of the message body and style information for the page be controlled by scripts in the header section, permitting a LOT of dynamic content without much connection footprint.

Again, that is how scripts are SUPPOSED to be used in webpages.

(If you are really clever, and dont mind proceedural content generation, you can even generate all of your image assets on the fly instead of fetching them. HTML5 and its canvas element is very useful for that. You can make a nice looking "Landing" initial view state, and display it, while the scripts in the background conjure up the necessary visual elements for your intended page state. Once the page is ready, it then transitions the display for you.  Same exact page.  Total bandwidth cost= just the initial HTTP GET for the page's source. But pretty much nobody does that kind of thing, because it is time consuming and breaks easily. Just saying it can be done.)

Usually, the big goal is "optimized dynamic display of data" and "Rapid page load".  EG, many different devices are going to view that page, and it needs to look consistent on all of them. But there's a problem: Not all devices use the same browser, and not all browsers are created equally. In a perfect world, browser makers wouldnt try to add proprietary features to their browsers that break standards, but they do.  Web designers have to deal with that.  Also, as broadband internet speeds increase, the amount of time people are willing to wait for a page to load drops. It needs to be as close to instantaneous as possible. That means highly optimized markup. 

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2291 on: December 19, 2015, 06:11:19 pm »
I've been trying to install City Life 2008 to a usb flash drive, but Steam always terminates the download halfway through reporting "Disc Write Error". The thing is that every other program is able to write to and read from that drive perfectly fine; up to and including installing other Steam games on it. What's going on?
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2292 on: December 19, 2015, 06:25:26 pm »
Try setting the device to "High performance" mode. That makes windows increase the write behind cache size.

You do that in device manager.

Just be SURE to use the "safely eject" dialog before removing it from the system though.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #2293 on: December 19, 2015, 06:25:26 pm »
Could be a file size issue. Depending on how the USB drive is formatted, it might not take individual files that are too large, and quite a lot of games simply don't have individual giant files. Try putting a big movie or ISO on it and see if that has the same problem.
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« Reply #2294 on: December 19, 2015, 06:27:37 pm »
That would be fat32's 4gb large file restriction.

FAT32 cannot handle individual files larger than 4gb, even if the volume is bigger than that.  On windows, your alternatives are ExFAT and NTFS.

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