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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3120 on: November 27, 2016, 02:30:32 pm »

A year old, and maybe once or twice a week. It's usually just left plugged in, but sometimes it's not.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3121 on: November 27, 2016, 02:32:01 pm »

Unlike Minesweeper and Solitaire.

Psst...  Use the superior windows 7 versions. ;)

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Dwarfy:

2x a week, over a year, is about 100 deep discharges, and if we assume daily rechargings, that is 365 ish charge cycles over a year. Lithium Ion chemistry starts to break down, and total battery capacity starts to drop as you deep discharge, and recharge.

You can see a nice little graph here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Looks like your 90% capacity is in line with their graph pretty well, at around 100 deep discharges, over the period it has been in service.

To prevent exploding like a Galaxy note 7, your laptop stops charging the battery when it detects certain characteristics in the charge cycle. These come about from decay of the cathode inside the battery, which happens slowly during recharge cycles.

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« Reply #3122 on: November 28, 2016, 01:50:47 am »

The battery percentage should be based on voltage though, which would still hit 4.2V / cell (fully charged for lithium batteries) even with capacity loss. So it should still read 100%, but only last 90% as long.

I would suggest recalibrating the battery if it's possible for your laptop, but it's more likely to be a fault.
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« Reply #3123 on: November 28, 2016, 01:54:31 am »

Either due to an update or because I had to disable it while modding Morrowind, the UAC in Windows 10 is popping up nearly every time I run a program. Disabling it completely prevents Store apps from working, and I use a few of them (Audible, Pandora (which I prefer to the website version), and Calculator). Is there a way to suppress this behavior, or to disable UAC without killing apps?

UAC pops up whenever you run a program whose permissions grants access to the administrators group but not to you through any other group (e.g. Users). Check the permissions on an offending program, it should tell you where they were inherited from, and then check the permissions on that folder and re-add read/execute for "Users".
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3124 on: November 28, 2016, 04:11:33 am »

The battery percentage remaind at the same point unless unplugged. When plugged in again it stays at the new charge level.
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« Reply #3125 on: November 28, 2016, 01:13:02 pm »

Theif, dwarfy:

Newer lithium batteries have what is called a "fuel gauge" baked into them. It records how much charge is in the battery. Recalibrating the battery tries to correct drift on this register in the battery firmware.

When charging, the battery first checks its fuel gauge setting, and sees it us not 100%. It then starts the charge cycle. It stops when voltage hits 4.5v, regardless of what the fuel gauge says. The most common sources of drift on the fuel gauge are self discharge, and age related capacity loss.

Overcharging the battery is very dangerous, and repeated removal and reinsertion to force it to charge can overcharge the battery.

You can try to recalibrate the battery if the laptop has a utility for that, otherwise, just live with the 90% reading.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3126 on: November 28, 2016, 02:40:54 pm »

What I'm saying is that it's a 0 percent reading now. Once the charge went down, it wouldn't go up again.
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« Reply #3127 on: November 28, 2016, 03:29:24 pm »

Might be it disabled the cells then.  That's another thing the smart-charger built into the pack does when it detects unhealthy cells. It straight up disables them so they wont charge (and explode).

Although.... Wait-- is this a Dell?

Those use some crazy assed "protection chip" built into the power cord, that frequently has its data lead break, and then it does not recognize a legit charger as legit. When that happens, it disables charging the battery, because Dell are dicks.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-fix-the-problem-plugged-in-not-charging-on-my-Dell-Inspiron-laptop
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3128 on: November 28, 2016, 03:35:40 pm »

Not a Dell - it's an HP.

I think the best course is just to buy a new battery. Thanks, wierd and everyone else who gave a hand.
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« Reply #3129 on: November 28, 2016, 03:43:59 pm »

Yes.  The protection circuit that disables cells uses a special resistor that changes how resistive it is based on temperature (a thermistor), to determine what the temperature of the cell is. If it detects that the cell is heating up, it is SUPPOSED to disable the cell, to prevent it from exploding in a blaze of fiery glory.

In a nutshell, this is how a lithium ion battery's charger works:

1) There is a small microcontroller with a small eeprom baked in, that controls the charging process, and contains the "Fuel gauge."
    a) This eeprom has a baked in "design capacity" value written in it, that lets the computer know how many mAh the battery is, so it can better estimate time on battery, in addition to the value stored in the fuel gauge register.
   b) The fuel gauge register is a small sram backed by the battery. It keeps track of the time on, and off the charger, and gets updated by the battery's microcontroller. The microcontroller uses the "design capacity" value to determine the upper bounding condition for when it thinks the battery is full. (It wont charge beyond design capacity unless the charge logic is seriously screwed up.) This is resettable by the micro controller, and there is secret black magic to get it to set it to 100% to account for 'drift'.
  c) The microcontroller monitors the health of each cell cluster in the pack using the voltage of the cell cluster, the resistance of the cell cluster, and the temperature reading read by a thermistor stuck to the side of every cell cluster. Using some likely industry proprietary weighting algorithm, it stops charging, or disables cells if they act goofy. It sets a flag in the sram to disable further charging of disabled cells. Removing the cells from the microcontroller completely will blank the sram, which is why rebuilding the pack with new cells is possible.
   C1) If the voltage dips below 3v, the controller believes the cell has experienced catastrophic cathode degredation, and wont charge the cell cluster. This is problematic, as healthy cells can self-discharge below this threshold when they are stored at 10% charge or lower for several weeks. There are special chargers to revive such batteries, but danger will robinson! The logic disables such cells for important reasons, so dont use such chargers unless you KNOW that pack has healthy cells in it that are just self-discharged.
   C2) If the temperature exceeds the preset safety limit, the cell will be permanently disabled. (or until the controller loses all power..)
   C3) If the voltage returned from the cell cluster reads 4.5V or higher, the controller thinks the cell cluster is fully charged, and wont supply additional charge voltage to that cell cluster. This is to avoid lithium dendrite formation between the anode and cathode, as such dendrites will internally short-circuit the battery, causing exploding self-destruct of the battery.

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3130 on: November 28, 2016, 06:41:09 pm »

I've another dumb question here; with regards to making a bootable drive from that windows 7 installer, the program will run to finish, then proclaim that it cant make the usb drive bootable because it cant run bootsect.exe. I have bootsect.exe.mui in my windows folder, apparently the .mui extension designates it as a multi-language file or something. Is there some way to remove that extension? After that, will the installer immediately recognize it, do I need to point it at the file or put the file in a particular folder?
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« Reply #3131 on: November 28, 2016, 06:55:46 pm »

Bootsect.mui and bootsect.exe are not the same file!!

If you have 7zip, you can open boot.wim, and find it in there. 

According to these guys it needs to be in the same folder as the download tool is run from, but I have never needed to download it.


http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/54443-32-bit-bootsect-3.html

I know that boot.win contains the file though, because I have used it from the special repair tools command prompt when booting a win7 DVD/USB.

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« Reply #3132 on: November 28, 2016, 10:29:09 pm »

I figured that was the case
file explorer isnt getting me far tho. What folder is boot.win in normally?
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« Reply #3133 on: November 28, 2016, 11:23:58 pm »

My autocorrect on this phone us making me angry

It is boot .WIM

it is in the sources folder.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3134 on: November 29, 2016, 05:01:00 am »

4.5V

4.2V, unless you have a special high-voltage lithium cell.

And when it detects the battery hitting 4.2V, it should recalibrate the "fuel gauge" high point automatically. The only reason it would stop charging below 100% (and therefore below 4.2V) is if some other fault is detected.
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