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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3030 on: October 08, 2016, 10:28:44 am »

So, I have 3 fans in my computer, which I got maybe 5-6 months ago. Its been running great, but now that the weather has gotten a little bit colder where I live, the inside fan has sort of malfunctioned. It will spin fast, then stop, spin fast, then stop, and it continues this process forever. The fan is clean, none of the wires it uses are hot or have any tears in them. It just started one day after I came home from work, while it was working fine in the morning. Idk if its just broken or if its a serious problem with my computer.  :-\
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« Reply #3031 on: October 08, 2016, 01:03:50 pm »

Are the fans controlled by the acpi power management controller ( plugged into the motherboard) or are they hard wired off a power splitter?

If the former, this is normal.  Fans use power, and the system wants to not gobble it up needlessly. The acpi controller has temperature sensors in various places on the motherboard, and knows how hot the system is. If the system is very cool, it knows it doesn't need the fan on, so it slows it down, or even turns it off until it heats up in there.

If the latter, this is not normal.  Hard wired fans are hard wired. They know only two speeds: off, and full blast.  When the system is on, they will go full blast unless they have a short in the cabling. Check for loose connections, and see if that solves the issue.
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« Reply #3032 on: October 08, 2016, 05:55:00 pm »

If that doesn't work, you can test the fan by hooking it up to a battery and see if it spins freely.  Or, when it's stopped, try starting it (gently) with your finger, you can tell if it's "sticking" if it immediately starts spinning and keeps spinning.    If it's sticking, SOME fans can be oiled - look for an oil port under the sticker.   Ideally use sewing machine oil or "3 in 1" oil - just a drop.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3033 on: October 08, 2016, 11:29:52 pm »

Are the fans controlled by the acpi power management controller ( plugged into the motherboard) or are they hard wired off a power splitter?

If the former, this is normal.  Fans use power, and the system wants to not gobble it up needlessly. The acpi controller has temperature sensors in various places on the motherboard, and knows how hot the system is. If the system is very cool, it knows it doesn't need the fan on, so it slows it down, or even turns it off until it heats up in there.

If the latter, this is not normal.  Hard wired fans are hard wired. They know only two speeds: off, and full blast.  When the system is on, they will go full blast unless they have a short in the cabling. Check for loose connections, and see if that solves the issue.

The one in the middle is connected to the motherboard (the other two are hard wired), so im just gonna say its doing as you say. If it gets worse, I'll know otherwise.

If that doesn't work, you can test the fan by hooking it up to a battery and see if it spins freely.  Or, when it's stopped, try starting it (gently) with your finger, you can tell if it's "sticking" if it immediately starts spinning and keeps spinning.    If it's sticking, SOME fans can be oiled - look for an oil port under the sticker.   Ideally use sewing machine oil or "3 in 1" oil - just a drop.
Its not sticking, so it should be okay for now.

Thanks for the help guys. :D
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3034 on: October 11, 2016, 05:50:13 pm »

Edit: nevermind, found a decent one.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2016, 06:28:33 pm by Aklyon »
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« Reply #3035 on: October 14, 2016, 01:37:04 pm »

so, i'm getting ready for my (first ever!) system reformat. built a dvd bootable (and a UDF backup, since ISO 9660 doesn't allow more than 2 gb on a single file) via this guide, prepped my device drivers, and planning to eschew the base graphics card driver with the latest NVidia for my graphics card, backed some files up, and i'm still a bit tense

am I missing anything at all right now or am I ready? Goodness I feel like i'm going to fuck this up at some point :x
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« Reply #3036 on: October 14, 2016, 02:05:22 pm »

so, i'm getting ready for my (first ever!) system reformat. built a dvd bootable (and a UDF backup, since ISO 9660 doesn't allow more than 2 gb on a single file) via this guide, prepped my device drivers, and planning to eschew the base graphics card driver with the latest NVidia for my graphics card, backed some files up, and i'm still a bit tense

am I missing anything at all right now or am I ready? Goodness I feel like i'm going to fuck this up at some point :x

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3037 on: October 14, 2016, 02:51:27 pm »

if push comes to shove, an android cell/tablet will work for that purpose.
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« Reply #3038 on: October 14, 2016, 04:29:34 pm »

I'd recommend creating a live Linux system on an USB drive before a reformat; probably the easiest way to set things right if you end up missing something important or your shiny new system acts strangely.
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« Reply #3039 on: October 15, 2016, 02:30:58 am »

As luck would have it, my lappy refuses to get itself reformatted. I'll just paste what I posted in Reddit, with minor redactions..

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Current OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (no service packs), WAT removed.

Planned OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + Service Packs April 2016 version by Team OS.

Unit: MSI CX61 0NF

So I made a bootable of the planned OS there using DVDs compiled with this guide, and did a little exploit based on Nithin Sam's comment so I can fit the entire OS on a 4gb DVD+R disc.

I then backed up some files and prepped some drivers, but that's not really related to the topic at hand.

The problem is when I try to run this DVD Bootable (on boot, ofc), I get greeted with this error and on double check on my files, Winload.exe is present on both Windows/System32 and Windows/System32/Boot.

It's likely to be corrupted, but I don't have recovery discs and I have no idea what to do just to allow this disc to read on boot so I can finally reformat my HDD and install a fresh install of Windows 7 Ult.

Any help is appreciated.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3040 on: October 15, 2016, 07:39:01 am »

I've seen similar when ram was bad, I recommend running memtest
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3041 on: October 15, 2016, 10:30:50 am »

Did a memtest for about an hr, no errors. 4 instances were opened at 2047
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3042 on: October 15, 2016, 01:11:12 pm »

is your system uefi?

your boot media may be built for mbr type bios, not uefi firmware.

2 options:  try enabling legacy booting in the uefi setup menu, try rebuilding your boot media with correct uefi support.
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« Reply #3043 on: October 15, 2016, 03:45:09 pm »

Legacy mode to go around uefi's sometimes-nonsense will be easier unless you have another computer to redo the boot media with.
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« Reply #3044 on: October 15, 2016, 06:39:08 pm »

assuming the firmware has such options.  Not all do.

i have run into similar problems with a minnowboard based htpc i built some time back.  the uefi firmware has no support for legacy booting at all, and the uefi version lacks the "obsolete" extensions that win7 needs to boot in uefi mode.  saw the winload error first, as my media was made for mbr bios only, and saw absurd stop screens after i fixed it to have proper uefi support.  had to use 8.1 on it instead.

judging from the info provided, this is a pirate copy of the install image, loaded with an activator like kms, or with removeWAT run immediately after install.  Toady frowns on fascilitating piracy, but i just want to point out that most of these pirate images have the uefi partition stripped out of boot.wim to save space, and lack proper .efi files in the /EFI folder on the media, making them unbootable from uefi firmware. it is possible that the boot media used is so afflicted, which explains the missing winload error.

this error should not happen on original media.

if they are having issues getting slipstreamed media to stay under single layer dvd sizes, i suggest they use the win7 usb media creation tool provided by MS in the future. then they dont have to worry about burned media at all.

they should try enabing legacy booting first.  if they dont have that option, they need to rebuild the boot media without stripping out the uefi parts of boot.wim.
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