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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #1845 on: July 22, 2015, 06:02:51 pm »

What's the safest way to root a Droid <axx running Android 4.4.4? and will it adversely affect my ability to use my phone as a phone or access my carrier's 4g network?
I need a carrier and phone model. Rooting gives you admin rights to edit system files that are normally locked out for a person including drivers and hex settings. Technically its a security risk but as long as you have SuperSU updated you will get a prompt when an app needs admin access. Rooting will not effect your network connection unless you are changing the chipset drivers but this will void your warranty if you ever need to send it back for repairs (abetted some models this can be reversed).

Droid Maxx on the Verizon network
Apparently you are screwed at the moment http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613548
Current root methods have a high chance of bricking so they are looking for a safer version.

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #1846 on: July 22, 2015, 10:42:41 pm »

What's the safest way to root a Droid <axx running Android 4.4.4? and will it adversely affect my ability to use my phone as a phone or access my carrier's 4g network?
I need a carrier and phone model. Rooting gives you admin rights to edit system files that are normally locked out for a person including drivers and hex settings. Technically its a security risk but as long as you have SuperSU updated you will get a prompt when an app needs admin access. Rooting will not effect your network connection unless you are changing the chipset drivers but this will void your warranty if you ever need to send it back for repairs (abetted some models this can be reversed).

Droid Maxx on the Verizon network
Apparently you are screwed at the moment http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613548
Current root methods have a high chance of bricking so they are looking for a safer version.

Shit!

How long have they been looking?
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #1847 on: July 22, 2015, 10:45:29 pm »

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
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« Reply #1848 on: July 23, 2015, 09:22:06 am »

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
Force Pre-rooting? No company would want that, its a large security breach that isn't exploited much due to the fact very few Android users go to this route. Granted, some phones like the Google Nexus and the HTC One M8 can be freely rooted and unlocked, Google doesn't care as all their phones are meant to be open and for HTC I just need to sign up as a developer. But if you really want full access to phones without the warranty issues basically you need to search for a Developer Edition. Costs a pretty penny and usually its only sold on the manufacturer's website but it is an option available to consumers that are power users.

That being said, Motorola, Samsung, and Verizon are the largest pusher for anti-unlocking phones. They believe the OS is at best and have large control over them. Verizon pulls a ton of metrics from your phone and isn't happy when that is cut off (extremely anal on control over devices). Motorola makes their bootloaders insanely hard to crack and most end up having to basically make a dual boot which doesn't even give you full system access. Samsung have their metrics too as they dump insane amounts of ad apps on the device. You will get what's called a Triangle warning on galaxy phones which is a flag Samsung uses to void your warranty. Easy to reset but very annoying.

For the Droid Maxx situation its been going on over a year since that 4.4 update was released. Much of the Bootloader exploits were written over to read-only stages so we cannot inject code anymore. There is a developer edition of the phone but Motorola pulled it long ago from the market due to Verizon's pressure.

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« Reply #1849 on: July 23, 2015, 09:24:51 am »

Meanwhile Sony will unlock the bootloader for you, but it still voids the warranty.
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« Reply #1850 on: July 23, 2015, 09:30:38 am »

Meanwhile Sony will unlock the bootloader for you, but it still voids the warranty.
You can always relock your phone if its ever needed for service, its stupid easy if you think about it cause you don't even need an unlock code just

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Most manufacturers will look at that and be ok with it, uploading the stock recovery usually needs to be done.

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« Reply #1851 on: July 23, 2015, 09:44:25 am »

You can even backup your recovery before unlocking so you can restore it later and still have your DRM keys
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« Reply #1852 on: July 25, 2015, 12:05:45 am »

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
Force Pre-rooting? No company would want that,

That's why there needs to be legislation. To force them to. I don't give a fuck what businesses want. (Actually, strike that. If there's something I'm otherwise ambivalent about and I find out that businesses want it, that'll be sufficient to make me oppose it.)
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« Reply #1853 on: July 25, 2015, 12:19:30 am »

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
Force Pre-rooting? No company would want that,

That's why there needs to be legislation. To force them to. I don't give a fuck what businesses want. (Actually, strike that. If there's something I'm otherwise ambivalent about and I find out that businesses want it, that'll be sufficient to make me oppose it.)
Inb4 lawsuits due to lack of security :P

The average phone user does not need to root their device and for those that do need it will do it. Its a security risk and frankly I don't mind the current situation, companies provide developer editions for those that need rooting so you can't nail them for refusal due to the fact you bought the wrong device.

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« Reply #1854 on: July 25, 2015, 01:02:23 am »

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
Force Pre-rooting? No company would want that,

That's why there needs to be legislation. To force them to. I don't give a fuck what businesses want. (Actually, strike that. If there's something I'm otherwise ambivalent about and I find out that businesses want it, that'll be sufficient to make me oppose it.)
Inb4 lawsuits due to lack of security :P

The average phone user does not need to root their device and for those that do need it will do it. Its a security risk and frankly I don't mind the current situation, companies provide developer editions for those that need rooting so you can't nail them for refusal due to the fact you bought the wrong device.

Developer editions are a problem too. They shouldn't be allowed to charge you extra just for a product that isn't deliberately defective.

(As for security lawsuits, they could - and SHOULD - just add a few indemnification clauses to the cellphone contract saying that security is not in any way their responsibility)

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I'd also like to see Google Play and the Apple App Store, and any other app store run by a mobile OS developer, a mobile hardware developer, or a cell phone company comepletely done away with.

Meanwhile Sony will unlock the bootloader for you, but it still voids the warranty.

Do they charge for that? If they charge for it it's still completely unacceptable!

What we really need is legislation to force the phone companies to sell the phones pre-rooted, but it'll never happen because congress loves bribes and for some unexplainable reason some of them even seem to be genuinely pro-business
Force Pre-rooting? No company would want that, its a large security breach that isn't exploited much due to the fact very few Android users go to this route. Granted, some phones like the Google Nexus and the HTC One M8 can be freely rooted and unlocked, Google doesn't care as all their phones are meant to be open and for HTC I just need to sign up as a developer. But if you really want full access to phones without the warranty issues basically you need to search for a Developer Edition. Costs a pretty penny and usually its only sold on the manufacturer's website but it is an option available to consumers that are power users.

What if I don't care about warranty issues in the slightest (or security issues)? Does that make a difference?
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #1855 on: July 25, 2015, 02:08:16 am »

No, sony does not charge for unlocking the bootloader. However, not all models have an unlockable bootloader, particularly carrier locked ones.
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« Reply #1856 on: July 25, 2015, 04:16:05 am »

In general, should it be necessary to remove anything from the case in order to replace a graphics card?
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« Reply #1857 on: July 25, 2015, 04:46:07 am »

Hiya guys, I'm getting a big blue-screen popup that says Activate Windows now, then redirects me to the Activate Windows page in PC settings. It's been happening for almost a year, but I kinda just ignored it. It's getting really annoying though, especially when I'm gaming and it pops up all of a sudden.

I have Windows 8. I don't know how to make it go away. It was activated when I bought my laptop, (but it got damaged and had to be repaired, so maybe they changed something?) Thanks for the help!
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« Reply #1858 on: July 25, 2015, 04:55:24 am »

Is there a key written on the laptop somewhere?
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« Reply #1859 on: July 25, 2015, 05:14:37 am »

Nope, none that I can see.
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