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[Lysabild]

I'd still change wisdom with empathy, because wisdom means different things to different cultures. Knowledge is knowing, intelligence is understanding, but wisdom can be anything a nation finds smart.

Empathy is understanding other people.

[ChairmanPoo]

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[Phmcw]

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That... is beautiful.
This... is this discussion subforum... perfectly represented by a picture... I'm shredding a tear right now.

My hat to you.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

To be an Ubermensch, you must be able to grow a moustache thal looks like you're trying to swallow a whole persian cat.

[Dr.Feelgood]

In my experience, death penalty is only applied when the goverments tries to shut up communists, socialists, leftist and alike. Goverment WILL use it to reduce hope and raise their authority. If you lived in 1980 in Turkey (during the military coup) you would what I mean.

People who think this should be public to make sure everybody takes a lesson, do you want to see stuff like these in your country everyday?

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Revenge is not a good thing.

It's the price we have to pay for the good of the people. I don't think many Americans would have any qualms about watching the removal of scum from society. Criminals need to see what will await them in order for it to have any meaningful impact - like a sledgehammer.

Frankly, the death penalty has so few just applications and so much potential for corruption and misuse that I see no reason to allow it, not only because of the all too common executions of innocents who have been wrongfully convicted, but also because it plays a key role in the establishment and preservation of totalitarian states.

OTOH, I also don't agree with the current state of the prison system in the U.S., as it is stuck between two potentially fruitful paths, in that it is too soft to act as a deterrent to crime, while also not being capable of a truly effective program of rehabilitation. This also ignores the importance of prevention; eliminate the roots of the majority of crime, (poverty, lack of education, lack of social services, etc.) and you have lower incidence of various types of crime, which ends up saving money on the post-conviction end as well as allowing law enforcement to concentrate on serious offenses. I could also bring up the increased efficiency and tax income that could be created by the legalization of marijuana, but that is perhaps a bit too far from the original topic.

I agree. The U.S prison system is too soft. We hear about the daily sexual, mental, and physical abuses and dilapidated housing, but are any Americans truly aware of what life is like in our prisons? Aside from heavily-edited TV programs, many Americans are uneducated when it comes to our justice system. Instead of averting their eyes and covering their ears, Americans need to KNOW exactly what will happen to them if they break the law. We should have mandatory class trips to penitentiaries and more education focused on our justice system. Anyway, I believe there is still more room for harsher punishments in our prisons, which would likely lower recidivism rates.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

It's the price we have to pay for the good of the people. I don't think many Americans would have any qualms about watching the removal of scum from society. Criminals need to see what will await them in order for it to have any meaningful impact - like a sledgehammer.

Are you honestly advocating public execution in the 21st century? Let's have a little think about which countries still do that now. Oh, I remember, all the batshit absolute monarchies/theocracies that still think that executing people they disagree with is ok, or in the equally batshit countries that haven't seen peace since the mid 60's. Notably not including everywhere else in the world. Public execution was actually too horrible even for 1840's Britain, and we all know what a wonderful place that was to live (provided you were wealthy and didn't live anywhere near a city.)

[Lysabild]

It's the price we have to pay for the good of the people. I don't think many Americans would have any qualms about watching the removal of scum from society. Criminals need to see what will await them in order for it to have any meaningful impact - like a sledgehammer.

Are you honestly advocating public execution in the 21st century? Let's have a little think about which countries still do that now. Oh, I remember, all the batshit absolute monarchies/theocracies that still think the feudal system is ok, or in the equally batshit countries that haven't seen peace since the mid 60's. Notably not including everywhere else in the world. Public execution was actually too horrible even for 1840's Britain, and we all know what a wonderful place that was to live (provided you were wealthy and didn't live anywhere near a city.)

Do you know what the feudal system is? Monarchies -don't- like feudalism, hence they're mostly Absolute Monarchies, not Feudal Monarchies.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

It's the price we have to pay for the good of the people. I don't think many Americans would have any qualms about watching the removal of scum from society. Criminals need to see what will await them in order for it to have any meaningful impact - like a sledgehammer.

Are you honestly advocating public execution in the 21st century? Let's have a little think about which countries still do that now. Oh, I remember, all the batshit absolute monarchies/theocracies that still think the feudal system is ok, or in the equally batshit countries that haven't seen peace since the mid 60's. Notably not including everywhere else in the world. Public execution was actually too horrible even for 1840's Britain, and we all know what a wonderful place that was to live (provided you were wealthy and didn't live anywhere near a city.)

Do you know what the feudal system is? Monarchies -don't- like feudalism, hence they're mostly Absolute Monarchies, not Feudal Monarchies.

I should really read things twice before rageposting.

Le changed to be not wrong. Point still stands about public execution being one of the few things less just than your normal, garden variety execution.

[Phmcw]

He's advocating public execution and torture in prison, as well as terrifying the population as mean of reducing the criminality.
I hope he's trolling us. Anyway it's unacceptable.

[Lysabild]

I totally agree with you Maggarg, just wanted to tell you that you had slipped on a silly detail It's the history nerd in me who comments on things like that.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I totally agree with you Maggarg, just wanted to tell you that you had slipped on a silly detail It's the history nerd in me who comments on things like that.

My history nerd is shamed and feels that his last 5 years of education are wasted on him. Again.

He's advocating public execution and torture in prison, as well as terrifying the population as mean of reducing the criminality.
I hope he's trolling us. Anyway it's unacceptable.

I genuinely hope it's a troll, because I prefer to think that people loopy enough to think public execution is great died out about 160 years ago.

[Dwarmin]

I don't know why know I feel the need to involve myself, but...

I think the Death Penalty can only be justified very rarely. It's not much of a deterrent, since I believe most violent crime is motivated by fear and desperation. Still, there are some people who really deserve it-the people who do deliberate acts of evil- and I can't say I'm very choked up when it happens to them.

Also, since I'm taking a balanced approach that makes me a morally bankrupt, cowardly fence sitter, and fair game for everyone.

[Lysabild]

Also, since I'm taking a balanced approach that makes me a morally bankrupt, cowardly fence sitter, and fair game for everyone.

.... *Offers hugs*

[ChairmanPoo]

Also, since I'm taking a balanced approach that makes me a morally bankrupt, cowardly fence sitter, and fair game for everyone.

Ever heard of the golden mean fallacy?

[Neonivek]

are any Americans truly aware of what life is like in our prisons?

If you mean how terrible they are... Americans generally speaking believe that any horrible thing that happens in the prison are part of the punishment (for example rape)

If you mean how leniant they are... yeah americans don't generally know that.

Personally I don't believe in the whole "Prison needs EXTRA punishment in the form of prisonmates doing horrible things to prisonmates"