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[Phmcw]

http://www.alternet.org/story/151850/8_reasons_young_americans_dont_fight_back_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance?page=entire

Not sure if it make sense , so if someone american can comment on this article it would be nice.
He try to explain why contestation of youth in america is so weak.

[Nadaka]

http://www.alternet.org/story/151850/8_reasons_young_americans_dont_fight_back_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance?page=entire

Not sure if it make sense , so if someone american can comment on this article it would be nice.
He try to explain why contestation of youth in america is so weak.

You know... I have been far too politically inactive due to my obligations, student debt, an impoverished family, etc. A fair amount of that article makes a lot of sense.

Gack! I may have found the limit of what I can put up with, even if I agree with some of the ideas expressed.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/07/31/debt-ceiling-follies-the-tea-party-is-a-faction-that-has-betrayed-the-constitution-why-doesnt-anyone-have-the-courage-to-call-them-out-as-such/

[Heron TSG]

Youth contestation is weak? I'll get back to you after some friends and I go protest at our local Senator's office.

[freeformschooler]

Well, looks like the deal passed in senate. A few voters who said nay looked like they were tearing up a little about the ramifications of the bill.

[mainiac]

Well, looks like the deal passed in senate. A few voters who said nay looked like they were tearing up a little about the ramifications of the bill.

I can understand.  If I was in congress, I would have called in sick because this would be one of the worst days of my life and I just wouldn't be able to face the world.

[RedKing]

The roll call of the vote hasn't been released yet, but I don't need to see it to know both of our Senators voted yes. Burr is an utter tool, and Hagan is a DINO tool.

I honestly can't remember when North Carolina had a Senator who I liked. I grudgingly respected (and simultaneously hated) Jesse Helms. And to think we used to have real statesmen like Sam Ervin and Terry Sanford. 

[freeformschooler]

The things Obama is saying about the future are optimistic, but I'm more concerned about the follow through.

EDIT: "[concerning the state of the economy][not verbatim] It is NOT a democratic responsibility. It is NOT a republican responsibility. It is a responsibility of the United States of America." -- thanks Obama for appealing to the burnt-out-on-partisanship cynic like me.

[PTTG??]

The "Supercongress" this proposal creates is not a legitimate part of the US government. I am extremely concerned about the power it will have to make absolute statements that may only be accepted or rejected by congress at large.

[counting]

Oligarchy

[Nikov]

76-24 vote in the Senate, when Reid's own proposal got shot down by his own party? Oh-hohohoho.

You guys are over-reacting. Seriously.

[RedKing]

76-24 vote in the Senate, when Reid's own proposal got shot down by his own party? Oh-hohohoho.

You guys are over-reacting. Seriously.

Yes, and what choice did they have, with the deadline being TONIGHT? Thanks to the Republican stonewalling until the 11th hour and 59th minute, a bad deal is getting passed because there's no time left for the Democrats to reject it. If they do, then suddenly it's their fault that the US goes into default.

You know this full well, Nikov. This is why I don't like you -- you reek of intellectual dishonesty. I hate that more than I hate an uninformed ideologue. At least they're just too dumb to know they're full of shit. You KNOW you're full of shit but try to pass it off anyways. For instance, Reid's proposal wasn't shot down by his own party. It was shot down by the Republicans in the House. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

[Phmcw]

You KNOW you're full of shit but try to pass it off anyways.

Too aggressive for this thread; "Intellectually dishonest" is ok, "full of shit" is not.

[freeformschooler]

You KNOW you're full of shit but try to pass it off anyways.

Too aggressive for this thread; "Intellectually dishonest" is ok, "full of shit" is not.

I agree. Please stop being overtly hostile, RedKing, even if you don't agree with or like the dude. We already have enough hostility on the internet.

We're here to discuss the debt ceiling, not butt heads like idiots. On that note, and on somewhat topic, why do a lot of people I've heard from hold a grudge against Nancy Pelosi? I haven't heard much about her so I am curious. She was one of the people they featured on the news the most when I was watching it earlier today and yesterday. I didn't see a huge problem.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

http://www.alternet.org/story/151850/8_reasons_young_americans_dont_fight_back_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance?page=entire

Not sure if it make sense , so if someone american can comment on this article it would be nice.
He try to explain why contestation of youth in america is so weak.

Worse, when young people did protest in the UK, it was just slapped down. Newspapers were just full of articles about lazy, entitled youth and how it shouldn't have been allowed, then focused solely on the actions of a small fringe of anarchist nutters.

Woo ageing populations. Dem kids etc.

[Nikov]

You KNOW you're full of shit but try to pass it off anyways.

Too aggressive for this thread; "Intellectually dishonest" is ok, "full of shit" is not.

I dunno, people were screaming 'facist neo-feudalist' earlier.

Shot down by every single Republican, you say? It was not. It was blocked. Two democrats voted against cloture with one Republican voting for, with the whole proposal dead on arrival anyway. So when only one party puts forward a viable plan able to actually pass the House and Senate, you really can't say the party putting forward the plan is to blame. Besides, these are the same Democrats who raised the debt four trillion dollars in the last three years, compared to Bush, in all his villiany, raising the debt five trillion in eight. That's practically spending twice as fast. Democrats had control of the purse strings for years and years, and every time the debt limit came up they asked for a bigger line of credit without any attempt to slow down their spending. So if you're concerned the party that had control of congress, and so the budget, for the last four years or so might be blamed for a financial crisis occuring you should have raised that consideration back in 2007 when your party took legislative power. You are now reaping what you've sown.