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[RedKing]

Okay, here's a recap of how we got here, in picture format. Enjoy.

[KaelGotDwarves]

And I don't think the amount of mineable resources inside the planet is as much of an issue as the fragility of the environment on the surface (or rather our dependence on a certain state of the environment to support large-scale civilization) and how our process of literally turning the planet inside out is going to effect that.

That's the common mistake made by those who are "anti-environmentalists".

It's not that I'm worried about the planet, the Earth will be here long after humans are gone. But we are well on the way to killing ourselves and dooming future generations without drastic cutbacks like China's one child policy, innovation in energy production to cut back fossil fuel usage, and not killing each other for oil.

[GlyphGryph]

The innovation to replace fossil fuel will come. At the worst, it will come the day we run out of fossil fuel. Why would it come before then? Where's the incentive?

No, the energy thing is a bugaboo, a ghost we've beaten dozens of times before, and one that present a challenge now that is quite far from intractable.

The politics, though? In many ways it seems like improvement there truly is more delicate - unlike science and business and technology, politics is the place were people can continue repeating the same mistakes they have made hundreds of times in the past, without any incentive (on the contrary, there is often disincentive!) to make positive change.

I've got ideas that could fix it, but like the energy ideas already out there unimplemented, no one wants to listen. There are plenty of people with great ideas, but no one will listen because most people are served well enough by what we have, and no one wants to take the risk at innovating.

[Nikov]

He's pointing out you can't complain of being villified if you do the same to others.

I am speaking an uncomfortable truth. My priorities of saving my nation supersede my desire to avoid offending its enemies.

Please note: I am not talking about moderate republicans, they are ok in my book.

Okay, but you are calling people fascist neo-feudalist traitors, with a straight face, because they disagree with you. You recognize that, right?

[freeformschooler]

Okay, here's a recap of how we got here, in picture format. Enjoy.

A++ why thank you RedKing.

[Truean]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/07/29/dennis-kucinich-just-solved-everything

Problem solved

[SalmonGod]

one that present a challenge now that is quite far from intractable.

So when amphibians are gone (as in all amphibians... all of them... probably not long now) we'll be able to fix that?

[Max White]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/07/29/dennis-kucinich-just-solved-everything

1:02
Yep, you can be sure it is an American speech. They always do that, without doubt, always.

[freeformschooler]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/07/29/dennis-kucinich-just-solved-everything

Problem solved

That's actually not a half bad plan, from my uneducated, dim-wit perspective. Except the part about pulling out of wars, somehow I feel that's a little more complicated than just up and doing so one day.

[KaelGotDwarves]

The innovation to replace fossil fuel will come. At the worst, it will come the day we run out of fossil fuel. Why would it come before then? Where's the incentive?

No, the energy thing is a bugaboo, a ghost we've beaten dozens of times before, and one that present a challenge now that is quite far from intractable.

...

Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. 

[alway]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/07/29/dennis-kucinich-just-solved-everything

Problem solved

That's actually not a half bad plan, from my uneducated, dim-wit perspective. Except the part about pulling out of wars, somehow I feel that's a little more complicated than just up and doing so one day.

Considering we have no concrete goals about when we would consider it over, we will some day be doing just that; else stay there forever.

[Max White]

Considering we have no concrete goals about when we would consider it over, we will some day be doing just that; else stay there forever.

Wait, you guys don't know what your doing over there? We were only following you!

[Nadaka]

He's pointing out you can't complain of being villified if you do the same to others.

I am speaking an uncomfortable truth. My priorities of saving my nation supersede my desire to avoid offending its enemies.

Please note: I am not talking about moderate republicans, they are ok in my book.

Okay, but you are calling people fascist neo-feudalist traitors, with a straight face, because they disagree with you. You recognize that, right?

Close, but not quite. I am calling them that because that is what I honestly believe that their policies promote, not simply because I disagree with them. We have a few fascist neo-feudalist traitors in the democratic party as well. When I say I  am an American patriot, I mean it with absolute conviction. I believe in an idealized America overflowing with freedom, justice and security. It is an ideal we have never quite achieved, but have slowly been making progress. And now it is an ideal that we no longer pursue, instead we are rushing headlong back into the dark ages. This is the most serious threat we have faced since the great depression, possibly since the civil war. This is a fight I don't know how to win.

I would like to apologize to you specifically, including "republicans" in that description was inappropriate. I know its no excuse, but my emotions are running very high right now.

[freeformschooler]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/07/29/dennis-kucinich-just-solved-everything

Problem solved

That's actually not a half bad plan, from my uneducated, dim-wit perspective. Except the part about pulling out of wars, somehow I feel that's a little more complicated than just up and doing so one day.

Considering we have no concrete goals about when we would consider it over, we will some day be doing just that; else stay there forever.

I imagined it would be a more slow process.
First, some guys in a dim room talk it over. One of them punches the other.
Later, the president announces we're pulling out. That's right. As soon as possible.
Then we wait either a few days or a few weeks for the middle fingers to settle. Unless something comes up, like the side we were supporting declaring war or vengeance on US.
And then we return to the status quo and all the newsmedia continue broadcasting how this was either a bad or good decision on the parts of various people who may or may not have even had a minor role in pulling out of the war.

At least that is how I imagine it. I don't really know much about wars except they involve a lot of messy politics and violence.

[Nikov]

He's pointing out you can't complain of being villified if you do the same to others.

I am speaking an uncomfortable truth. My priorities of saving my nation supersede my desire to avoid offending its enemies.

Please note: I am not talking about moderate republicans, they are ok in my book.

Okay, but you are calling people fascist neo-feudalist traitors, with a straight face, because they disagree with you. You recognize that, right?

Close, but not quite. I am calling them that because that is what I honestly believe that their policies promote, not simply because I disagree with them. We have a few fascist neo-feudalist traitors in the democratic party as well. When I say I  am an American patriot, I mean it with absolute conviction. I believe in an idealized America overflowing with freedom, justice and security. It is an ideal we have never quite achieved, but have slowly been making progress. And now it is an ideal that we no longer pursue, instead we are rushing headlong back into the dark ages. This is the most serious threat we have faced since the great depression, possibly since the civil war. This is a fight I don't know how to win.

I would like to apologize to you specifically, including "republicans" in that description was inappropriate. I know its no excuse, but my emotions are running very high right now.

Unfortunately what you call progress I see as the failed and bloodied dreams of the 20th century. So long as you are wrongly convinced "progress" lies with your side and the "dark ages" lie with my side, we will not be able to have a reasonable discussion.