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[Noodz]

Yesterday i discovered to my chagrin that floor grates do not allow marksdorfs shoot through them. My idea was to make invaders run through an elaborate gauntlet while one zlevel above i built my training barracks, where my dorfs could shoot them in the head while they ran to the entrance.

Unfortunately it didn't work. Only by removing a grate is that my dorfs would shoot the invaders. I have now built floor bars, but i am not sure they will work as i intended. Does anyone know the answer?

[Girlinhat]

Did you build them atop existing floors, or on "empty space"?  Either way, I believe this is intentional, maybe.  Grates and bars act slightly differently.

[cephalo]

The thing I would be worried about is that building destroyers can destroy them, and I don't think they provide protection like fortifications do. It might be better to just have empty space unless you're worried about flying creatures getting in. Even then FB flyers could just destroy them and get in anyway.

[xmakina]

The thing I would be worried about is that building destroyers can destroy them, and I don't think they provide protection like fortifications do. It might be better to just have empty space unless you're worried about flying creatures getting in. Even then FB flyers could just destroy them and get in anyway.

Building destroyers cannot attack upwards.

[Urist Da Vinci]

AFAIK there is nothing yet in the game that can be walked upon, yet also shot through downwards. Your best bet is to put a shooting platform/balcony/edge on the floor above, with fortifications.

The thing I would be worried about is that building destroyers can destroy them, and I don't think they provide protection like fortifications do. It might be better to just have empty space unless you're worried about flying creatures getting in. Even then FB flyers could just destroy them and get in anyway.

Building destroyers cannot attack upwards.

Building destroyers won't attack bridges or supports anymore.

[lanceleoghauni]

AFAIK there is nothing yet in the game that can be walked upon, yet also shot through downwards. Your best bet is to put a shooting platform/balcony/edge on the floor above, with fortifications.

The thing I would be worried about is that building destroyers can destroy them, and I don't think they provide protection like fortifications do. It might be better to just have empty space unless you're worried about flying creatures getting in. Even then FB flyers could just destroy them and get in anyway.

Building destroyers cannot attack upwards.

Building destroyers won't attack bridges or supports anymore.

Which means those lovely troll mines that people made with a cast stone held up by a support no longer work :C

[Teneb]

AFAIK there is nothing yet in the game that can be walked upon, yet also shot through downwards. Your best bet is to put a shooting platform/balcony/edge on the floor above, with fortifications.

The thing I would be worried about is that building destroyers can destroy them, and I don't think they provide protection like fortifications do. It might be better to just have empty space unless you're worried about flying creatures getting in. Even then FB flyers could just destroy them and get in anyway.

Building destroyers cannot attack upwards.

Building destroyers won't attack bridges or supports anymore.

Which means those lovely troll mines that people made with a cast stone held up by a support no longer work :C

Well, they can still be used, you just need a lever or a pressure plate.

[Z1000000m]

Have you tried using fortifications instead of bars and placing dorfs one level higher?

[Noodz]

AFAIK there is nothing yet in the game that can be walked upon, yet also shot through downwards. Your best bet is to put a shooting platform/balcony/edge on the floor above, with fortifications.

I see. And if urist davinci says it then it must be true.

My intention was to built murder holes. I dont like leaving open spaces on the barracks, i fear that when sparring one dwarf could dodge into one of these holes. I guess the solution is to leave holes but surround them with fortifications or vertical grates or bars.

Have you tried using fortifications instead of bars and placing dorfs one level higher?

Maybe i did not understand you correctly, but that would imply a fortification would allow bolts to go through them vertically. I dont think that's possible, but i might try.

[ext0l]

Don't just build the fortifications though. First build walls then carve fortifications into them so the dwarves can walk on top.

[Girlinhat]

That doesn't let them walk AND shoot.

[Noodz]

Don't just build the fortifications though. First build walls then carve fortifications into them so the dwarves can walk on top.

Since it's impossible to carve built walls, i would have to go a zlevel above, dig down the central hole and then order the remaining natural walls to be smoothed/carved. I think it's easier to just build fortifications around the hole.

[billybobfred]

it's impossible to carve built walls

It's impossible to engrave built walls. You can carve fortifications into them just fine.

[Girlinhat]

You can carve fortifications into a constructed wall, which leaves a supported floor above it.  However, above it is a floor, not a fortification, therefore it cannot be fired through, while it can be walked over.  If grates and bars don't work, then it appears there's no fire-through walkable surface.

[Noodz]

it's impossible to carve built walls

It's impossible to engrave built walls. You can carve fortifications into them just fine.

 

It seems i have much to learn yet.