Solifuge: Still not sure how you'd prefer my posts organized. I like breaking the relevant sections up.
Oh man... I'll let the Toaster vote keep going for a bit yet, before I point out a handful of critical flaws in that line of reasoning. Forgive me, but it's a great chance to get a peak at the Scum's hand.I hope you realize that if you hadn't been lynched for blatant scumminess once already, I'd be
completely convinced you were a convert by now. Don't worry, I'm still convinced enough.
Do you recall Leaf making a big deal how the thought of an enslaved Devil was just stupid?You call that "making a big deal?"
You're desperate, scum. Reeeaaallly desperate. Is that because he's the only mislynch you think you can pull off, or something else?
With Town pressuring him and MBP into proving it, the easiest way out was to fabricate new "rules" based on something no one could refute... IE the almighty "flavor".So, what are you saying here- that Leafsnail and MBP clearly invented new rules wholesale? How would you know? Because real rules/interactions wouldn't have flavor associated with them?
This is scummy and desperate, again. The whole sentence- putting "rules" and "flavor" in quotes, calling flavor "almighty," is a blatant attempt to make the issue look worse than it is. And what is the issue? A believable flavorclaim can't be refuted, therefore you know it to be false. It's a solid conclusion to go along with your other bullshit, like that Devils can clearly be cult'd and show up as Survivors.
Tell me, where
did you learn so much about Devils, that just so happens to fly in the face of common sense?
What's this reversal from yesterday, when it was extremely unlikely that Leaf wasn't a Devil?
In regard to waffling on the Devil Deal through D4, I was weighing the merits of trying it and having it actually happen, versus the far preferable situation where it doesn't go through; who the deal is offered to, and how they try to explain it away speaks volumes. I just wanted to be sure we used that gambit to test someone I had reason to suspect, but little way to test... it was just another form of pressure, but one with the added bonus of being a concrete test with obvious results.
As for suspecting him, when scumhunting, we observe, suspect, and lynch, and afterward go back to observing everything in a new light. With Jim not flipping Lord (and thus not having falseclaimed) the body of probable falseclaims diminished, and old information can be seen in a new light. If your votes are stuck in a rut, not adapting to new times, then what you're doing is trying to give the appearance of scumhunting, which is a horse of a different color, dancing to the beat of a different drum entirely.
I'd append this to say that I've been consistently gunning for Cultists through the whole game, and have nabbed more than a bussing's worth. Unless I absolutely adored shooting my team in the foot, me being Cult doesn't make much sense at all.
Oh man, this is so scummy it hurts.
For starters, you completely ignore my question:
Unlikely:
Bdthemag: No prerequisits. Unlikely, since took Devils Deal, and for Redirect instead of Kill (scum discuss these things).
Leafsnail: If somehow converted Devil to Cult, falseclaimed, and deemed it prudent to kill 2+ teammates with win condition.
Yesterday, it was highly unlikely that Leafsnail was a not-Devil, as evidenced by the long, detailed list of conditions required for that to be true. You even mention "somehow" in the "converted a Devil" part, indicating you didn't think that could really happen either. Today, complete opposite: Leafsnail is
clearly the Lord, having converted a Devil and... well, evidently and then falseclaimed and killed two of his teammates. Hm.
Then, the answer you do give is an explanation for why you were waffling on the deal, followed by the most generalized inspirational speech you can about how scumhunting is about changing your viewpoints and reacting to new information.
Finally, you mention what an awesome scumhunter you are who's well past the point of bussing. Wait, wasn't "killing 2+ teammates" relevant somewhere recently? Someone said something about that, and I can't remember... well, I'm sure it's not important. It's not like someone would go around claiming a Lord had done that, then turn around and use their doing it as proof of non-cultness or anything.
Toaster:Irony: Do you realize your case on me is almost completely associative tells through Solifuge? I didn't go back to that question because there was nothing to be done with your answer.
Not completely.
For starters, your claim can't be verified- the only two people who've confirmed your block and flipped have been vampires, while the third is looking pretty obvscum. That alone puts you almost as high as Jim was on the Lordlist.
Secondly, I didn't like that question, because it implied there had to be a guard. If there isn't a guaranteed guard each game, why ask it? It should have been pretty obvious that you don't need a real guard when everyone who's been confirming one is scum. If there is, why not point it out? With Jim's non-guardness flip, you'd be cleared. It reeks of an attempt to sow doubt by implying things to me.
I'm pretty sure there was more, but I can't remember/find it. Well, other than a gut feeling, but I don't think you'll be especially impressed with that.
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