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Author Topic: Supernatural Mafia 4 - Game Over! Demonic Victory  (Read 281421 times)

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Re: Supernatural Mafia 4 - Day 5 - 2 Replacement needed!
« Reply #855 on: September 15, 2011, 04:03:20 pm »

Solifuge, the kill me and you lose a good role is classic scum.
I'm important guy, i'll help you win, bleah

My problem with you and BDTheMag voting to lynch me was NEVER about my role. As I've said, I'm probably Impious, and worthless to town. The problem is that we still have ~3 Scum, ~5 Town, and ~2 3rd-Parties. People are getting way too scattered right now, and losing sight of the objective, which is to kill the Lord before tonight, because if we don't, tonight is the night Town gets equally matched by Scum. We do not need to lynch me or ECrownOfFire (despite his asinine scumminess), who could in no way be the Lord.

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You seem damned concentrsated on the devil, but i really think hes the least of our problems. I am convienced Leaf is what he say, since the flavor he paraphrased is perfectly consistent with what i got. Thus all that Leaf is really the vamp lord is bullshit and jsut good to lose time on real hunt. So yeah, being incoherent, self-refuting and using the old dont kill me i'm helpfull don't fly with me

Nothing I've said has been incoherent. If you can't read or understand it, that's not my problem. You can always ask for clarification, but don't blame me for your lack of comprehension:

Spoiler: The Case, in summary: (click to show/hide)


Look back on D2 votes, when the playing field was unknown, and any Cult Leader who risked bussing a teammate risked ruining their chances for victory if there were Townie Hunters on the prowl... who was it who refused to vote Dariush, the starting Vampire Slave:
Azure Sepulchre, Jim Groovester, Bdthemag, Leafsnail, lordnincompoop

Who among them even went so far as to defend Vampire Slave Dariush against others:
We should not assume that the scum didn't act last night.  They could be a cult, there could be an arsonist style mechanic.
We should all vote Dariush until he can explain why there was no kill on the night I blocked him.
Why did you block Dariush when Kilikan was your top suspect all day?

Add to the above spoiler to MBP the fact that on D2, we still didn't know we were dealing with a Cult, rather than classic nightkillers... yet Leafsnail pushed the assumption that we were dealing with Non-traditional Scum in his defense of Dariush, as though he already knew the flavor... and you've got my case. If you have questions, feel free to ask; this is about as solid as a Vamp Lord case is going to get.


If anyone doubts my theory or intentions based on the chance that I'm Cult, consider this; I was dead N1, so no one could target me. I was guarded N2 and N4, thus unable to be targeted. I could only have been converted if they happened to target me on N3, and that was after we'd deduced that I was likely to be an Impious Priest, thus useless to Scum. The odds are stacked HIGHLY AGAINST me even being able to be converted, much less am I a good target for them; I draw too much fire to be a good lurking survival asset, and I have nothing to offer the Scumteam, unlike most every other player here. I'm among their worst and least likely choices, strategically and statistically.
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« Reply #856 on: September 15, 2011, 04:03:39 pm »

Addendum to Leafsnail:

In addition, you should keep in mind that it was you who suggested I make the deal with MBP (and before then noone was considering it).  If it was a gambit, then it would require your cooperation (or me magically predicting your actions).

If you're implying that the Devil Plan was my idea, you're dead wrong. You proposed the plan WAY BEFORE anyone else did, right along with the roleclaim you gave as a defense against getting caught as a Changer. I pointed you toward MBP as a test of his exceedingly safe claim of Guardian Angel, and your test of being a Devil. If I was the only one suggesting MBP, and everyone else was pointing you elsewhere, why wouldn't you go with the majority? Do I have any control over who you chose to target, or do you just get to cherry-pick the best option people present you with?


If you were really the Devil, and all you wanted was to make a deal with someone and vamoose, why is it that you haven't once brought up or proposed who to offer the deal to over the last 3 RL days, nor what to do with it tonight? Why have you shifted to focusing on who to lynch, IE Toaster and me? No Devil would care about that... a Devil just needs to offer a choice to someone and win... a Vampire Lord, however, needs to engineer the downfall of the Town, and buy just one more day to convert one more townie, and Scum can outnumber town.

In reality, you don't want the Devil Plan to happen at all; if you make it through tonight, you'll not offer the deal anywhere, push a bus on someone innocent for "not accepting your Devil Deal", get them lynched, and Voila: Scum Victory. Even if you handle it poorly and it condemns you, we'll be at LYLO, and all it takes is one easy-to-engineer mislynch and Scum wins. We're losing, and you and your Cult are trying to engineer a mislynch on Toaster, the Town's one defense against conversion... whereas I'm acting on my own to see you Hang. Where are my Scumbuddies, might I ask? Why aren't they sniping at you from the proximity? Why is the bandwagon on Toaster, and not You?

The answer is simple; because you're directing it.
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« Reply #857 on: September 15, 2011, 04:39:28 pm »

Wait, if Devil's did have blood in past Supernatural games Leafsnail *could* be converted. I assume that when a role like the Devil gets converted, he would just change into a normal cultist with no powers right?
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« Reply #858 on: September 15, 2011, 04:55:45 pm »

That's crap.  If you thought it was a scummy move, you should have said so.  You're a bandwagoning bastard.
I think you will find that I did.

Nope. Not a vampire.
I got no visitors last night, Toaster included. And that seems odd to me, because I would have thought he wanted to protect the guy who could detect lords.

Still, wait for the claims to come in.

And then when you made your claim, that got you my vote. Try to keep up.

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« Reply #859 on: September 15, 2011, 05:07:57 pm »

Add to the above spoiler to MBP the fact that on D2, we still didn't know we were dealing with a Cult, rather than classic nightkillers... yet Leafsnail pushed the assumption that we were dealing with Non-traditional Scum in his defense of Dariush, as though he already knew the flavor... and you've got my case. If you have questions, feel free to ask; this is about as solid as a Vamp Lord case is going to get.
Oh, I have a question!  Why exactly is it a vampire-lord tell to suggest the possibility of a non-standard scumteam in a game where there are often non-standard scumteams and after a night with no kill?

If you're implying that the Devil Plan was my idea, you're dead wrong. You proposed the plan WAY BEFORE anyone else did, right along with the roleclaim you gave as a defense against getting caught as a Changer.
Duh.  This is irrelevant to the fact that you put forwards the idea of MBP.  Not me.

Bear in mind that for the unbelievably elaborate plan you're suggesting I made to work it would be crucial for me to target MBP.  And yet I never put his name forward.  Indeed, if you hadn't mentioned his name, according to your theory, I would be completely stuck today.  So again, I ask you - did I magically predict your actions, or are you saying that you were helping me with my plan?

I pointed you toward MBP as a test of his exceedingly safe claim of Guardian Angel, and your test of being a Devil. If I was the only one suggesting MBP, and everyone else was pointing you elsewhere, why wouldn't you go with the majority? Do I have any control over who you chose to target, or do you just get to cherry-pick the best option people present you with?
MBP agreed to accept the deal so I chose him.  Noone else had explicitly agreed to accept the deal.

Imagine you're a devil in my position.  You have a choice between someone who seems to have some consensus on them who's agreed to accept the deal and... who else, exactly?
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« Reply #860 on: September 15, 2011, 05:16:40 pm »

Solifuge, you seem to be specifically avoiding why I'm actually voting for Toaster. The only people he's targeted for blocking have flipped cult, and you. The only people that confirmed his claim, surprise, were also cult! Jim is a damn obvious N1 target for conversion, he's very experienced and well known. You were an obvious choice simply because you were confirmed not-Lord, and you have a revive that could bring back a cultist, or even the Lord himself.

Leafsnail, you're being dumb by voting for Solifuge. We can just have Bdthemag redirect Solifuge to Jokerman tonight, completely avoiding the revive. Or if we're worried about the possibility of a Demon, then redirect him to somebody still alive or something.
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« Reply #861 on: September 15, 2011, 05:32:26 pm »

Leafsnail, you're being dumb by voting for Solifuge.
I'm not voting for Solifuge.
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« Reply #862 on: September 15, 2011, 05:55:04 pm »

Oh wait, that's Solifuge voting for you.

MBP is being dumb.
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« Reply #863 on: September 15, 2011, 06:13:30 pm »

Soli: If you are so sure Leaf is the lord, and he converted the devil, then who is the devil?

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« Reply #864 on: September 15, 2011, 08:13:59 pm »

...Max, you already asked that question. I already answered it. This was only yesterday. Did you forget so quickly, or is there some other reason you keep asking this?

So who do you propose is the devil?
That's about as relevant as whether or not CrownOfFire is scum (still pretty well certain that he is). There are enough loose ends with regard to claims players have made, and who is and is not Scum by now. My first thoughts were that it was MBP, and Leaf and his flavor-claim that the Devil Deal was blocked by his being an Angel was a gambit between them... but that requires that Max was converted as well (MBP showed to Max's Fortune-Telling as a Guardian). It requires more assumptions, which makes it a bit less likely.

Thinking about it now, Bdthemag is quite plausible, as he claimed Knight... which is more than a bit odd in a game where we have non-killing Scum, and no chance to get any unblockable kills (Priest-made Demons and Devil-Deal kills are both unblockable). The role seems to be entirely extraneous. That, coupled with his lack of any recent contribution save for slapping a half-assed vote on me, means he's totally stopped trying to lynch the Vampire Lord, and/or forgotten he was supposed to look like that's what he was doing.

With the last 5 posts or so, I'm pretty well convinced that I'm the only one still engaging my brain here. If so, I think I'm just about done bothering.
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« Reply #865 on: September 15, 2011, 08:18:58 pm »

You... Could be right. It was pretty early in the morning here when I asked that for a second time. Before my breakfast cup of tea anyway.

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« Reply #866 on: September 15, 2011, 09:12:18 pm »

Alright, so, I'm still mostly confident in a Toasterlynch, and if he's not the Lord he's probably still a Slave. Bd's probably my runnerup for that, for egregious lurking and nothing but irrelevant bullshit upon returning.

The Devil's Deal I'm less certain of. I'd like to use it to dispose of Bd (and maybe one of our lurkers while we're at it), but to be honest, and I know this sounds crazy, I don't want to because it'd make us lose Leafsnail and Crown. I think we should save it for tomorrow or maybe even later.


Leafsnail, who do you think the Lord is?
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« Reply #867 on: September 15, 2011, 09:23:14 pm »

The Devil's Deal I'm less certain of. I'd like to use it to dispose of Bd (and maybe one of our lurkers while we're at it), but to be honest, and I know this sounds crazy, I don't want to because it'd make us lose Leafsnail and Crown. I think we should save it for tomorrow or maybe even later.
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« Reply #868 on: September 15, 2011, 09:26:13 pm »

Or so worthless that there is no reason to use the deal on you.

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« Reply #869 on: September 15, 2011, 10:05:26 pm »

Max:
That's crap.  If you thought it was a scummy move, you should have said so.  You're a bandwagoning bastard.
I think you will find that I did.

Nope. Not a vampire.
I got no visitors last night, Toaster included. And that seems odd to me, because I would have thought he wanted to protect the guy who could detect lords.

Still, wait for the claims to come in.

And then when you made your claim, that got you my vote. Try to keep up.


You'll need to keep up as well- I claimed my guard in the third post of the day, before you posted it.  Don't change your story on me.


Irony:
The Devil's Deal I'm less certain of. I'd like to use it to dispose of Bd (and maybe one of our lurkers while we're at it), but to be honest, and I know this sounds crazy, I don't want to because it'd make us lose Leafsnail and Crown. I think we should save it for tomorrow or maybe even later.

So... you don't want to get rid of a Devil (who does not care who wins or loses) and someone who has been consistently scummy?  Wow.
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