Extend.Crown:IronyOwl, note that resurrection actually comes AFTER conversion. It's kind of hard to convert a dead guy. So it's impossible for me to be the Lord.
How do you know?
Second post in the thread from Meph. He gives the order of night actions.
Correct. You've been nudged all the way to completely impossible.
Jim:Don't you mean the lurker who doesn't need defending? Isn't that what you should really be saying? If he is the VL then the scum are fucking golden because he's going to get a free pass. That attitude blows.
So this really has nothing to do with thinking he's the VL who needs the noose, so much as thinking he's a lurking piece of shit who
deserves the noose.
"Cool lists guys, you fucking suck. Let's just randomlynch instead because you're all dumb."
This is awesome, but the fact remains that you're vaguely poo-pooing others' reasoning while providing nothing of your own.
Jim: You've pissed on everyone else's ideas without offering much in the way of your own. Who are your picks for Lord and cultists?
Azure Sepulchre or Bdthemag is the VL. They're the likeliest candidates that don't involve a retarded string of conversions to make happen. We should be lynching one of them today.
So you do like lists and edge cases justified with WIFOM, just only when they're your own?
Cultists I'm less certain about. I'm starting to think Solifuge might be one. I'm having trouble believing he can believe such terrible reasoning and still be town.
Why can't he just make terrible decisions, like Bdthemag?
Solifuge:and talking down the Scum's competence is the same damn thing you try to do every game that you're Scum.
Prove it, asswipe, because that's not my meta.
As far as I'm aware, Jim talks down the scum's competence every game period. Where are you getting this impression?
If my read on Crown's playstyle is correct, it IS an egregious bandwagon. He's trying to create a sense of doubt, by playing to our assumptions of his scumminess.
Examples please. What makes you say this?
Also, in regard to your earlier question of protection options, I'm a Priest with a Res, and thus a bit of a priority target for the Cult. Metagame suggests I'm likely to be an Unpious Priest, so my usefulness is limited (the chance for adding a SK to the mix does not behoove Scum), but I suspect I'm going to be high on their list of converts nevertheless. If they get me and make me raise a Cultist, that would tie up the lynch for two days (one for me, and one for my target). If we don't manage to bag the Lord before that, things could get bad very quickly.
I get the feeling you're already cult and trying to head off suspicion with this- it just seems odd and completely out of the blue to say "Listen everyone, I'm a high-priority convert target, so I'm likely to be converted sometime in the future, so we really need to find the Lord."
To Leafsnail, and whoever he offers his deal to tonight: (who IS our prime candidate for the offer right now, MaxWhite?)
- In the event that we don't bag the Lord today, Crown is nigh-certain Scum and would be removed upon your acceptance, so we can avoid LYLO. AzureSepulcher, MysteriousBluePuppet, and IronyOwl are all viable kill targets. I feel less good about offing Azure with his inactivity and no opportunity to claim, but it's there.
- In the event that the lynch flips Vampire Lord then we're in the clear, and you can do what you will.
You still haven't responded to Toaster's questions/comments on your list, so I'll just add my own:
Likely:
IronyOwl: If converted Vector/Nuke and learned she had no Covenbuddy, OR converted said Covenbuddy and falseclaiming.
Can witches not have a covenbuddy? What use is a lone mason?
I'd also have to be a VL with a guardian angel, which seems odd, or have converted MBP the doc, since Max confirmed him as a Protector. Unless there was really only one witch, that's too many conversions to get them all.
Jim Groovester: If converted a Dreamwalker at some point. Only 1 living Slave if Lord (was blocked).
Jim could have converted Toaster as well, obviating the need for being blocked. Why are you assuming Jim and Toaster being scum are mutually exclusive?
MBP: If converted a Guardian Angel OR concocted a detailed falseclaim.
MBP was confirmed as a Protector by Max, so he'd have to have converted Max as well.
Possible:
Toaster: If converted a Guard N1, AND later converted Jim (he claimed to see Toaster locking him up).
Here you go again, making sure we all know that Toaster was seen locking Jim up, and is thus clearly a Guard.
Unlikely:
Bdthemag: No prerequisits. Unlikely, since took Devils Deal, and for Redirect instead of Kill (scum discuss these things).
You still haven't explained why he wouldn't make a terrible decision simply because he made a terrible decision.
Like I said above, it's entirely possible that you, and MBP, could be on a scumteam together, since neither of your claims are verifiable. Say you're a Lord, and you snagged Vector/Nuke early on. You'd know whether she had a Covenbuddy (if that's even guaranteed) and if so could have converted them and used Witch as your falseclaim. Also, though Jim does know a lot about the Dreamwalker role, he could just as easily be either a Lord fakeclaiming a scum-mate's role to hide himself, or is a Cult Dreamwalker. Neither of you are clean, so don't act as though this is the case.
So... in the middle of this grand explanation for how me and Jim could still be Lords, you bother to mention Jim could also be a Slave. Why?
These arguments follow the same logic; neither contradict. You continue to spin the words of others against them, and try to discredit them by shit-slinging. If you're right about one thing though, it's that I'm thoroughly convinced you are Scum, and nothing you have done has suggested otherwise.
While the reasoning is sound, I'd still like to know why you're following this line of WIFOM rather than a different sort or none at all.
One of you or Azure needs to die today, Jim, and I'd rather go with someone I have reason to suspect than someone who's been entirely neutral due to inactivity. After that, we'll know how to move forward; even in the event that you're not a Lord (and the smaller chance that you're not a Slave), so long as we follow through with the Devil plan, we still take out Crown (thus preventing LYLO), and one of the remaining Lord Suspects of our choice (say AzureSepulchre), leaving us with the remainder to lynch the next day.
I don't like this. It's alright to plan, but this strikes me as chainlynching. "Okay guys, we'll just lynch and kill people in this order and everything will work out regardless of who flips what."
(since a Cult Leader having a Guardian Angel would be a real dick move on Meph's part, stacking things far in the Cult's favor)
Why didn't you consider this earlier?
We're going to be stuck on a very unpleasant tie if we don't resolve this, and that means we lose another Townie to the Cult, while the Devil Deal becomes an even greater crapshoot than it already is.
Yet you're not voting to extend. There's no semblance of agreement on anything and yet you're not voting to extend.