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Author Topic: Huge academic database leaked by Maxwell on TPB - potential losses in billions  (Read 2709 times)

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In the aftermath of Swartz' arrest due to the unlawful downloading of scientific articles, a man named Gregory Maxwell has published almost twenty thousand scientific papers and journals on the now-infamous file-sharing site, The Pirate Bay (Link to download and Maxwell's own statements in the Ars article).

I originally intended to submit this to the Happy thread, but decided against it after seeing the post grow in size. instead, it has now become a discussion thread for both this predicament and possibly for IP and freedom-of-information in general. Feel free to read through and comment.

Background:
Scientists need their work published and read too. Various journals, galleries and museums facilitate this need, and hold often massive repositories full of all sorts of scientific literature (though publishers specialise in one field more often than not).

What is interesting about this system, however, is the fact that the authors will also have to pay a quite non-trivial fee to get it published. These companies empty the already rather thin wallets of both academic readers and authors; a successful article will leave the scientist just as poor as before.

And with the highly unfortunate “publish or perish” mentality about the whole field, the scholars themselves have an impossibly weak bargaining position: They’re expected to pump out (and publish at their own cost) papers at a steady pace; high positions of professorship and so forth often come with a requirement to have published several well-known academic papers; these papers are often essential for their continued good reputation – and for their findings to reach a sufficiently large audience. With the quite niche area (in large part due to the fact that access is so prohibitively expensive) resulting in few good options, and the academicians’ need to be published by prestigious journals, these businesses can simply tell them to “bend over like a big boy take it in the a**”. Open publishing efforts have and are being advanced, yes, but these remain small and relatively ineffectual. The “big names” persist.

With average costs placed around 20-30 USD for one person’s one-month access to one paper (my mother’s own essay, as an example, costs 35 USD for one person to access just once), scientific literature is typically ranked as one of the most expensive types available today. In the past, this was to offset costs of mechanical publishing for relatively niche markets, but with the ubiquity of digital publishing today – and the wholly digital form of the papers leaked – this higher cost has become largely unnecessary.

What’s more, these prohibitive costs keep the buying market – and the availability of said information – very small, covering not much more than the academics who need it for their livelihood. This leaves the general public bereft of high-quality literature such as this, even when by all rights it should be available to them: Thousands of old essays with expired copyrights are still peddled by these vendors, and are often the only reliable source for it. Restrictive copyright laws in some countries limit the access further.


Skipping ahead to the hereNnow:
All the articles published date back before 1927, which places them firmly in the area of Public Domain. And since the material in question was obtained through wholly legitimate means (contacts in academia are a very useful thing to have) this man's efforts should most likely be legitimate, and the papers should be free.

The journal-publishing businesses have continued to charge for said PD-papers, however, and with the staggering prices (Maxwell's payload totals at about 353248 USD for one person's computer's single-month access, and the amount of downloads going on right now would already put the "losses" at an insane 179096736 USD assuming the downloaders will only use the articles themselves if at all) at which the articles were placed, this leak comes as quite a relief. It's a signal that these businesses are going to have a tougher time controlling their information - bad for them, but good for the public in general as they gain access something that is, in my opinion, rightfully theirs.

I personally think that this will lead to good things; further dissemination of such information by audiences that were hitherto unable to do so (because of financial or political reasons) and progress toward my personal ideals of a liberal, digital utopia. 

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For those too lazy to browse the links, I've included Gregory Maxwell's own musings about the topic and his actions below:
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Is that the same guy who was charged with 'hacking' just because he reads too much academia?
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Is that the same guy who was charged with 'hacking' just because he reads too much academia?

Yah, specifically because he downloaded articles he was already legally entitled to read.
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No, he is doing it in response to the other guys arrest.

This isn't billions of dollars of damage done to the scientific publishing industry. Since the works are old enough to be public domain, it is billions of dollars of damage done to the public BY the scientific publishing industry that are being corrected.
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No, he is doing it in response to the other guys arrest.

This isn't billions of dollars of damage done to the scientific publishing industry. Since the works are old enough to be public domain, it is billions of dollars of damage done to the public BY the scientific publishing industry that are being corrected.

Correct. However, a catchy title is a catchy title.

It's a nice change of pace from what is normally done, and I just hope that this just keeps going. Literature like this deserves to be read by all who wish to.
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 I support this, also, I just started downloading the torrent :D.
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.... nice but its not like articles from before 1927 will have loads of stuff relevant to today's concerns. You might find it more interesting to google "open access journals"  or check the freebies that ppv journals do offer. Normally they give some free articles every month. Finally, if you find an article you want to read but is not for free anywhere, you could mail the author and ask him or her for a copy
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It depends on the field. Anthropologists, etc., would drool. And a lot of the times as I understand it the journals acquire some pretty exclusive rights, though that might be changing.

You know if they just lowered the subscription prices I might actually be interested in getting some of these bastards. The one I was looking at was actually closer to $80 a month for a yearly subscription. I'm sure there are a lot more cross-discipline or otherwise just tangentially interested scientists/engineers now that would also be interested. It doesn't make sense to keep the same relative prices from 50 years ago when you've had 50 years of audience growth. It's not even good business sense.
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.... nice but its not like articles from before 1927 will have loads of stuff relevant to today's concerns. You might find it more interesting to google "open access journals"  or check the freebies that ppv journals do offer. Normally they give some free articles every month. Finally, if you find an article you want to read but is not for free anywhere, you could mail the author and ask him or her for a copy

 That may be true but I would still like read them anyways just out of curiosity. Thanks for the tip though, I'll have to try that.

 Heh, its going to take me about 24 hours to download all of this. I hope my ISP doesn't cut me off for downloading to much lol.
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.... nice but its not like articles from before 1927 will have loads of stuff relevant to today's concerns. You might find it more interesting to google "open access journals"  or check the freebies that ppv journals do offer. Normally they give some free articles every month. Finally, if you find an article you want to read but is not for free anywhere, you could mail the author and ask him or her for a copy

If you go to a university computer that has subscription access to JSTOR or EBSCO or another database that stores tons of peer reviewed articles, you can get a couple of articles...but that doesn't really count as it being "free", as someone is still paying for said articles (the school, not you). Worst case, you can always read peer-reviewed journals at the university libraries (I don't think they allow you to check them out, but you could just copy them).
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And if you copy something at the university library, the copy machine is probably going to be overpriced too.  You just can't win.
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Oh come on, mainiac, why so smug? If there is any information in whose free flow we should place value, it's academic information. If nothing else, the internet conversations would greatly improve their factual foundations with all the scientific publications available freely and just one click away.

"Exploiting the labours of unpaid scientists" does sound like taken from some weird communist manifesto or dystopian sf novel though.
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In my experience, I think most of the money that academic publishers make now is from universities buying student-wide subscriptions.  At least any American university worth its salt will have unlimited access to dozens of scientific journal storehouses (JSTOR especially, useless as they are), the cost of which is spread out into tuition prices.  But even so, once you find how much the stuff costs to people not enrolled in college, it becomes clear that any ordinary person trying to have access to the same information would have to spend thousands of dollars a year.

The OP spelled it out pretty well.  It's impossible to survive as faculty in modern academia without publishing early and often, which is balanced just at the razor edge of possible with a faculty salary; only people who have serious money to burn, whether out of pocket or in the ever more ridiculous prices of attending major colleges, can access the vast majority of the world's scientific knowledge; and a pretty small number of people are raking in money hand over fist with all-digital publishing, at the expense of scientific literacy.


The files in question all being as old as they are does work to Maxwell's credit, since a good number of them are going to be public domain (though bear in mind that public domain laws can still protect stuff that old, depending on circumstances), and because if publishers in question want to stick any lawsuit to him for anything more than the sticker price of his own download, they'll have a hard time proving a bunch of 85 year old scientific papers are actually worth anything.  Hopefully it'll prove an object lesson to the publishing industry before stuff worth serious money starts going the same route, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Wait, articles from 1927 aren't free yet?

I lose more faith in capitalism every day.
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Hope none of that stuff is math, because once a math paper is published, that stuff should basically be considered free for universal consumption.  This is one of the reasons why mathematicians are terrible at citations, for example.

Hurm...
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