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Author Topic: Your such a good adventurer.. You challange gods. Faith and Belief mechanics.  (Read 4047 times)

Brotato

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A Pratchett belief system would be I think in line with how the game works currently
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I think not. There is precious little humor in this game.
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What if gods could die by having less people believe in them? Sort of like gods in real life, the Egyptian gods are dead because no one believes in them anymore.
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What if gods could die by having less people believe in them? Sort of like gods in real life, the Egyptian gods are dead because no one believes in them anymore.

It really depends on the setting.

Here are a few common god tropes
1) gods are in fact created by the imaginations of their worshippers, and thus given life by them, but are otherwise real (Black and White is a great example, gods die simply by having no worshippers)
2) gods require the worship of others to act within the real world. Creating some ancient gods.
3) gods eventually move on (In some the gods existed but simply lost interest and moved on)

Gods don't always but often are required for controlling EVERYTHING in the world. sometimes the world works on its own but can be manipulated by specific gods. For example: Hades is not required for hades to work. He does keep it moving smoothly though, HOWEVER Apolo is required for the Sun (Helios who is another god) to rise and fall.
-Though it should be stated that Apolo's job COULD have been given to another. His Demigod Son, still a child, almost do it.
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There are also animist gods, gods more akin to what we'd call spirits.
In a book by Greg Keyes I just read (the waterborn, from the serie Children of the Changeling) there are two main types of gods : gods of places whose power lies mostly in their realm (which can be any size from a pond to a whole "country" - basically 3 months horseriding); and gods of things, who are the spirit of whatever they're contained into.

Some can manifest themselves wherever they want, while others can or have to be summoned. Some are vessel to other gods, others were made from another more powerful god and as such are a sort of extended conscience of them...

This differ greatly from the Black and White model, and I hope we can one day randomize all that, because it would just be great to be surprised each time. Am I the only one to think that gods being just an ultra tough creature is lame ?

And let's say you kill it, what happens ? If that god's followers were using their god's power as a source of magic, can they still do that ? Does this god's power seek another imbodiment and take refuge in you ? Does it leave an empty position in the universe, waiting for someone to take it ?
If you ever become a god, what does this imply ? Will time go on a different scale, will you need to sleep for hundreds of years before doing anything ? Will you still be able to protect the ones you cared for as a mortal ? Will you even be able to recognize them, or is it more akin to watching ants from afar ? Will you even remember who you were as a mortal or quickly forget what your former life was ?
Can gods be reborn in the next baby that comes to this world, or does that baby need a ritual ?
And what if you didn't challenge a god but side with him and have his avatar as a "companion" ?
Did gods in your world establish rules that forbid them to directly enter human matters, or other god's matters ? If they have laws, how do they enforce them ?
What do they need ? Do they rely on sacrifices, another god's existence, some concept (for example the god of war growing stronger and stronger as mortals conquer each other) ? Is there a cyclic rise and fall of their power ?
How do they consider mortals ? Are they cattle, their creations, a result from a past error, toys, equals ? Can gods have children with mortals ?
Where do they come from ? Have they always been there, have they created the world, are they mortals who ascended into godhood ? Can they age, grow weak, do they need to do something else to counteract that ?
What is death for a god ? If the god of fire dies, will fire go extinct, the sun darken and the summer get cold ? Or at the contrary will fire go wild without any god to control it ?
Do gods believe in something ? Are they omniscient, or can mortals or other gods hide something from them ? Is there some sort of higher god that none of them has seen but at their birth ?

Now just mix and match and you'll have a tremendous amount of Fun. Just remember : for anything to be interesting, gods must have needs and goals. Some gods could very well satisfy themselves with maintaining the equilibrium of the world, but there need to be others throwing it off balance then.
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I think not. There is precious little humor in this game.

The Pratchett Belief SystemTM isn't inherently humorous though.

I could see it really working well with DF.  Say a volcano erupts and kills a megabeast, would people begin worshipping it?  Could the volcano ascend to Godhood?
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I think not. There is precious little humor in this game.

The Pratchett Belief SystemTM isn't inherently humorous though.

I could see it really working well with DF.  Say a volcano erupts and kills a megabeast, would people begin worshipping it?  Could the volcano ascend to Godhood?

That would be funny, seeing a volcano just chillin' (heh) on Mount Olympia, having a drink with Zeus, arguing over who has covered the greatest surface of the world in bodily fluids.
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I think not. There is precious little humor in this game.

The Pratchett Belief SystemTM isn't inherently humorous though.

I could see it really working well with DF.  Say a volcano erupts and kills a megabeast, would people begin worshipping it?  Could the volcano ascend to Godhood?
You're right. The word I wanted to use is absurd. Discworld is just a collection of absurdities; these absurdities are not humorous on their own, but humorous when viewed together. Taking an absurdity out of a discworld novel and putting it into DF would make it look seriously out of place. I think that the horror genre would fare far better and would create a much cooler atmosphere for the worlds.

Caveat: the random name generator would make Pratchett proud.
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I would not like to see Adventurers ascending to godhood. I see no reason for my Hero or Peasant adventure to become gods. I do like the idea of fighting gods but it should be nigh impossible to win unless you do something tricky. I do not think magical powers should be obtained by others believing in you because you must find powers within yourself. Overall I am not to fond of Adventurers using magic at all, maybe using a magic artifact but becoming Urist McGod-Wizard takes alot out of the game.
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Isa

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I do like the idea of fighting gods but it should be nigh impossible to win.

How can this be done? Should they be incredible large or made of extremely tough materials? Also should all the deities be equally strong or the powers could vary?
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I see no reason for my Hero or Peasant adventure to become gods

The problem with that statement is it happened in mythology. gods could grant godhood, you could essentially power up to godhood, some objects granted godhood, or you ascend to godhood upon death.
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you could essentially power up to godhood
ok vegeta
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