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[Gantolandon]

P.S. Draw and quarter the fucker you have a King what's the damned point if he can't order an execution of a convicted mass murderer!

Sorry, constitutional monarchy. In most countries which still have royal dynasties, they serve as some sort of expensive mobile museum.

[Jackrabbit]

Wow, twenty-one years maximum for killing that many people? That's a lot of time to work out a book and movie deal. Maybe he wasn't so irrational after all.

P.S. Draw and quarter the fucker you have a King what's the damned point if he can't order an execution of a convicted mass murderer!

The guy killed a lot of children. I give him five years before he gets shived, tops.

[Euld]

Seems the Norway police took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene...  Not harping on the police or anything.  Just makes things more tragic :/

[Africa]

Not surprising considering, didn't the attack happen on an island somewhere? If it was a remote area it could have easily been that long before someone found cell phone service, managed to get a hold of someone, and police were able to get out there, etc. Also kind of scary that someone can pick a remote location like that knowing that help will be far away. Hell the guy could have killed people for 45 minutes, then slipped off into the wilderness and vanished!

[nenjin]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/26/norway.terror.attacks.experts/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Posted because it's directly related to what Graeklin and I were talking about.

Experts -- who have not met Breivik but have examined materials purported to be from him -- had different takes Tuesday on whether the manifesto suggests he was motivated more by ideology or by a desire for infamy. But several agreed that he seems to have more in common with mass killers, from "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski to Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho, than with many terrorists and typical right-wing extremists.

Perhaps the issue is that we don't have a good term for these people. We rely on "crazies" because it's the closest way we can rationalize their motives. But they do make the point that crazy is the inability to distinguish right from wrong, which doesn't describe any of these modern mass-murderers. Sociopath certainly fits better. But I think in the end, after what they feel is their duty to question the obvious even though there's not a lot of basis for it, the media is finally putting this into proper perspective.

[scriver]

Not surprising considering, didn't the attack happen on an island somewhere? If it was a remote area it could have easily been that long before someone found cell phone service, managed to get a hold of someone, and police were able to get out there, etc. Also kind of scary that someone can pick a remote location like that knowing that help will be far away. Hell the guy could have killed people for 45 minutes, then slipped off into the wilderness and vanished!

I believe they chose to wait for the task force to arrive.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Wow, twenty-one years maximum for killing that many people? That's a lot of time to work out a book and movie deal. Maybe he wasn't so irrational after all.

P.S. Draw and quarter the fucker you have a King what's the damned point if he can't order an execution of a convicted mass murderer!

The guy killed a lot of children. I give him five years before he gets shived, tops.

This, by the way.

If prisoners in Norway are anything like prisoners in the USA, then he's a dead man.
You murder adults? Yeah, you'll definitely get into a prison gang.
You do anything bad to children? You're going to be lucky if the guards don't orchestrate your impending horrible death, much less the prisoners.
 

[nenjin]

If prisoners in Norway are anything like prisoners in the USA, then he's a dead man.

From what I understand, American prisoners are pretty much the only ones that enjoy raping other prisoners. So, there might be other differences in the criminal code.

[Leafsnail]

He's likely to be put in protective custody anyway.  Because murder by negligence is still murder.

[Dsarker]

If prisoners in Norway are anything like prisoners in the USA, then he's a dead man.

From what I understand, American prisoners are pretty much the only ones that enjoy raping other prisoners. So, there might be other differences in the criminal code.

From what i know of Australian's 'criminal code', they'd kill people who did anything to children, too.

[Tilla]

Just when you thought Glenn Beck could not possibly become a worse person than he already is: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/07/26/2011-07-26_conservative_pundit_glenn_beck_defends_his_right_to_use_nazis_hitler_for_compari.html?r=news

Compares the /victims/ to the Hitler Youth for being active in politics??

[Dsarker]

Okay. Know that I haven't read the article, nor know much about Glenn Beck.



WHAT. THE. HELL. IS. WRONG. WITH. YOU!!!!

[TonyI]

Wow. This is all so messed up.

I am Catholic and my family is from Syria (95% Muslim there) and I can tell you Muslims get so much hate for no reason. My family has lived there forever and they are treated as exactly the same as anyone else, and has NEVER ever been harassed because of our religion. We have plenty of Muslim friends overseas and over here two of my best friends are Muslims (well, one is an Atheist).

But I have a question. How is this man NOT a terrorist? If this was a Muslim, even a lone-wolf, he would have been called a Terrorist no matter what. People saying he's just an insane Murderer are basically defending his actions. It doesn't matter if someone says "God told me to do this" right before he detonates a bomb, kills eight people, then goes and guns down 90 more, he is a no-good filthy extremist and will certainly find no peace in the afterlife. Condolences to any family affected.

[nenjin]

If this was a Muslim, even a lone-wolf, he would have been called a Terrorist no matter what. People saying he's just an insane Murderer are basically defending his actions.

Uh, no one is doing that. I could just as easily say people that are calling him a terrorist are validating his beliefs.

And we've already pointed out situations where Muslims are NOT automatically labeled as terrorists.

He's bad. No one's arguing that. But there's a big, big distinction between a lone wolf and other terrorism. Pointing out that distinction means we're supporting blowing people up? You're giving Glenn Beck a run for his money.

[Leafsnail]

Glenn Beck took to the airwaves to defend his right to use Hitler comparisons --  and argued that any impediment on his freedom to do so, or criticism of such remarks, portends the Nazification of America.

This is actually kindof pathetic.  His only argumental strategy seems to be to connect his opponents to murderous regimes (and he isn't even being varied in which ones he's connecting them to here).  And while he may have a right to say stupid and offensive things, people equally have a right to call the stupid things he say stupid, rebuke him for being offensive and so on.

Nevertheless, he should at least realise that comparing the victims of an atrocious massacre to the perpetrators of crimes against humanity is a ridiculously insensitive (and of course inaccurate) move.