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[Robsoie]

Amazing !
Thanks for that new version.

edit : first attempt at the new version with a war veteran .
All went well on the 1st floor (after getting rid of the wolves on the surface) , i managed to survive running into some kind of cultist meeting after shooting with my m1911 and hammering the survivors (i found a nice sledgehammer to replace my starting weaker hatchet) .

It got me a nice sawed off shotgun and ammo for it and my m1911.

So far so good, ran into a room filled of animated corpses, managed to kill them all with my useful shotgun (and didn't forgot to kick to destruction all the corpses on the ground to prevent them to rise again, as they don't stay dead for a long time).

After exploring everything i could, i ran into a blocked door just in time to get ... an insanity going, and babbling incoherent things. , after kicking it twice, still wasn't opening.

I decided then, as all seemed good to test with my various potions.
I went blind, then i went berserk then i went insulated to electricity.
And last potion, let's see ... i went .... poisonned !

Oh no !

Wow, from "all is good", i run into everything is bad and my character is doomed in a couple of seconds.

As usual when i'm poisoned there's nothing i find to heal that status, so as i was berserk i decided to try to kick the door i wasn't seeing anymore (as i was blind) and it got destroyed, moved blindly in the new room and found the stairs, cool, maybe i'll find something to heal my poison.

After getting back my vision, i explored, then explored and ... died from the poison.
Damn.

Funny thing , while berserk you get the message all in caps

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Last messages:
   I START TREATING MY WOUNDS... I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   MY HEALING IS DISRUPTED!!!
   THE DOOR SEEMS TO BE STUCK!!!
   Which direction? [space/esc] to cancel
   I KICK SOMETHING!!! I FEEL A DOOR CRASHING OPEN!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I DESCEND THE STAIRS!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I BUMP INTO SOMETHING!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I CAN SEE AGAIN!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!!
   I AM SUFFERING FROM THE POISON!!! I AM DEAD... [/quote]

[Robsoie]

Still playing and just got a good run with a war veteran in which i ran into 2 uniques

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After exploring i ran into an unique named Keziah Mason, she was walking along with a "Brown Jenkin" or whatever it is , my newly acquired (on the corpse of a cultist i axed to death) tommygun managed to get rid of the thing but her handler suddenly disappeared.

I had lots of problem staying alive (thanks my recently found leather vest) after many cultists shot me out of nowhere.

After more exploration, and some healing that wasted the remaining medical stuff i had left in my inventory, i ran again into that unique witch


Maybe she wanted some payback for her familiar thingy, but bad luck for her, i still had some ammo for my tommygun, she took a lot of hits to die (those salem witch are certainly made of anti-ammo material, i wonder if they can float ) but i finally destroyed that monster.


She left behind an item, it was a "golden potion" , i was happy as i was wondering what kind of marvelous useful potion it was, and drank it.


Yeah, should have expected it, nearly every potion i find is always some kind of annoying effect anyways.

Oh well, found the stairs down and went for it as my sanity level was going dangerously near insanity (a problem of the war veteran is that they have some level of insanity when they start a new level, they don't go back to 0 like the other 2 classes).

Again some exploring, and what do i find ? another damned unique ! the Major Clapham Lee that is apparently some nasty necromancer and decided to greet me with his tomb legions.



But despite i am running low on ammo for my tommygun (too bad it eat them so fast)  i wasn't that frightened, because i had 2 cocktail molotov with me and dynamite !
Sure it's confined space, sure there's not that much of a safety distance, but i'm a war veteran, i saw more scaring thing than that !



Ha ! take that Major !
And while i'm at it, how about another one, play catch damned necromancer !



What the hell ? i threw it in the middle of the room and i'm burning too ? looks like fire is spreading much faster than i thought, as apparently the door was burning and following turn threw fire at me.

Anyways, after shooting with my tommygun to get some distance, i decide to use my dynamite, i like things that go boom, i'm a war veteran after all !

So let's lit the thing.
Oh , that zombie is getting too close, i switch to my tommygun again and empty it on the undead guy until he's dead again !
Ha ha ! nothing can stop a war veteran, hmm, what's that smell ? something is burning.

I think that's the dynamite, i just forgot it ...


Oh well...

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Huro
   * Explored to the depth of dungeon level 5
   * Was 10% insane
   * Killed 97 monsters
 
 Traits gained:
   Adept Melee Fighter, Expert Melee Fighter, Adept Marksman,
   Expert Marksman, Tough
 
 Unique monsters killed:
   * Keziah Mason
   * Brown Jenkin
 
 Last messages:
   Major Clapham-Lee is scorched by flames.
   AAAARGH IT BURNS!!! Major Clapham-Lee is scorched by flames.
   I light a dynamite stick. AAAARGH IT BURNS!!! ***FZZZZZ***
   Not while burning.
   The Reanimated Corpse claws me. AAAARGH IT BURNS!!! ***FZZZZ***
   Major Clapham-Lee is no longer burning.
   The Bloated Corpse is scorched by flames.
   AAAARGH IT BURNS!!! ***FZZZ*** The Bloated Corpse is burning.
   I hear choking.(W)
   AAAARGH IT BURNS!!! ***FZZ***
   The flames are put out. ***FZ*** Dean Halsey can see again.
   Dean Halsey is scorched by flames.
   I swiftly swap to my prepared weapon (a Tommy Gun 10/50).
   I see here: Stone floor. A Reanimated Corpse. 70% hit chance.
   [f] to fire [space/esc] to cancel
   I fire. The Reanimated Corpse is hit!!! The Reanimated Corpse dies.
   The Bloated Corpse is hit! The Bloated Corpse dies.
   Dean Halsey is hit! The dynamite explodes in my hand!
   I am hit by an explosion! The lifeless gruesome corpse is destroyed.
   I am dead...

No idea from where that Dean Halsey is coming, looks like there was another unique with the Major Lee.



Lots of fun, an the ambient sound really makes the atmosphere working.
Only problem i have is the respawn , still not really fun to retreat on a closed room you cleared so you can get some healing, and out of nowhere, the room has monsters in it.
Respawn should be more rare in my opinion (not removed as it helps keeping the fear going) because there's already the insanity "clock" forcing you to move to the stairs.

Oh, and the poison, it's simple, every time i have been poisoned in that game, maybe it's just that i have persistent silly bad luck in every games of Infra Arcana i played, but i never found anything to get rid of it once i'm affected.

This is a bigger problem than it sounds, because it then means you really don't want to drink potions (as you never know if you're going to drink a poison one, and they don't seem rare at all) to identify them, because it's too big of a risk, wasting a character on poison is not really fun.

[Törnqvist]

Oh, and the poison, it's simple, every time i have been poisoned in that game, maybe it's just that i have persistent silly bad luck in every games of Infra Arcana i played, but i never found anything to get rid of it once i'm affected.

This is a bigger problem than it sounds, because it then means you really don't want to drink potions (as you never know if you're going to drink a poison one, and they don't seem rare at all) to identify them, because it's too big of a risk, wasting a character on poison is not really fun.

A good time to identify potions is when you have a bunch of different unidentified ones. If you drink poison, there's a pretty good chance that you'll also have a potion of antidote or vitality. Another option is to drink them near a fountain. Even a lvl 1 Occultist should usually survive that.

[Törnqvist]

Manuscript of Sacrifice Spirit is another option to survive poisoning.

[Robsoie]

I wish i could have found any of those when i got a poison status, unfortunately it always happened when there was no such items around.
Didn't knew fountain could remove the poison status as the changelog posted previous page mention healing, shock and spirit, i'll have to find one before trying to drink anything.

[Törnqvist]

Didn't knew fountain could remove the poison status

They don't. What I meant is that they heal enough HP for you to endure the poison. I just tried it now myself by drinking  a potion of poison as a lvl 1 Occultist next to a fountain - and I survived it.

[Arcvasti]

PTW

[Robsoie]

Didn't knew fountain could remove the poison status

They don't. What I meant is that they heal enough HP for you to endure the poison. I just tried it now myself by drinking  a potion of poison as a lvl 1 Occultist next to a fountain - and I survived it.

Got my best run ever, reached the 11st depth and i got poisoned by a spider but managed to survive that thanks to a fountain , probably the 1st fountain i find after being poisoned, usually i find them when i'm not
I used the opportunity to drink all i had to identify, wasted a few potions that could be useful, but at least i discovered the dreaded poison one.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Got killed by my own dynamite explosion, i misjudged how very large the area of effect was, good for future explorations i guess, as i'll get much more distance next time.

Got insane several times in that run, even got cursed in some tomb area, but at least i got the 2 uniques i couldn't kill due to my misuse of dynamite in my previous run

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King
   * Explored to the depth of dungeon level 11
   * Was 40% insane
   * Killed 178 monsters
   * Had a sadistic obsession
 
 Traits gained:
   Adept Melee Fighter, Adept Marksman, Dexterous, Mobile,
   Lithe, Tough
 
 Unique monsters killed:
   * Keziah Mason
   * Major Clapham-Lee
   * Dean Halsey
 
 Last messages:
   I fire.
   *glop* I dodge an attack from The Poison Ooze.
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   Insanity draws nearer... There is a
   strange itch, as if something is
   crawling on the back of my neck.
   The Poison Ooze makes a gurgling noise.(NE)
   I light a dynamite stick. ***FZZZZZ***
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I throw a lit dynamite stick.
   I hear an explosion!(SE) I am hit by an explosion! I am dead...
 
 The final moment:
********************************************************************************
*                                                                              *
*                                                                              *
*                                                                              *
*            ###                                                               *
*           ##.#                                                               *
*          ##.~#                                                               *
*         ##..~######                                                          *
*        ##~,..~~...##                                                         *
*       ##.~.~..~.~.~##                                                        *
*       #.......,~..~.#                                                        *
*       ##....~.,....##                                                        *
*        #..oo..~~..##                                                         *
*        #o..~~...~~#                                                          *
*         ##,########                                                          *
*  ######### |    #                                                            *
*  #.......#| | @||#                                                           *
*  #........| |    *                                                           *
*  #.......#  |    *                                                           *
*  #.......#|  | & |                                                           *
*  #########||   ||#                                                           *
*************####***************************************************************

It was very fun to show those Mi-Go how their own weapons are working nicely against them, got 2 of them in a line with a single shot

Something that could be nice is to have your equipment listed in your grave file so you can check what your characters had before dying.

[Törnqvist]

Got my best run ever, reached the 11st depth and i got poisoned by a spider but managed to survive that thanks to a fountain , probably the 1st fountain i find after being poisoned, usually i find them when i'm not
I used the opportunity to drink all i had to identify, wasted a few potions that could be useful, but at least i discovered the dreaded poison one.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Got killed by my own dynamite explosion, i misjudged how very large the area of effect was, good for future explorations i guess, as i'll get much more distance next time.

Got insane several times in that run, even got cursed in some tomb area, but at least i got the 2 uniques i couldn't kill due to my misuse of dynamite in my previous run

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King
   * Explored to the depth of dungeon level 11
   * Was 40% insane
   * Killed 178 monsters
   * Had a sadistic obsession
 
 Traits gained:
   Adept Melee Fighter, Adept Marksman, Dexterous, Mobile,
   Lithe, Tough
 
 Unique monsters killed:
   * Keziah Mason
   * Major Clapham-Lee
   * Dean Halsey
 
 Last messages:
   I fire.
   *glop* I dodge an attack from The Poison Ooze.
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   I feel my sanity slipping...
   Insanity draws nearer... There is a
   strange itch, as if something is
   crawling on the back of my neck.
   The Poison Ooze makes a gurgling noise.(NE)
   I light a dynamite stick. ***FZZZZZ***
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I see here: Grass. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I have no vision here. [t] to throw. [space/esc] to cancel
   I throw a lit dynamite stick.
   I hear an explosion!(SE) I am hit by an explosion! I am dead...
 
 The final moment:
********************************************************************************
*                                                                              *
*                                                                              *
*                                                                              *
*            ###                                                               *
*           ##.#                                                               *
*          ##.~#                                                               *
*         ##..~######                                                          *
*        ##~,..~~...##                                                         *
*       ##.~.~..~.~.~##                                                        *
*       #.......,~..~.#                                                        *
*       ##....~.,....##                                                        *
*        #..oo..~~..##                                                         *
*        #o..~~...~~#                                                          *
*         ##,########                                                          *
*  ######### |    #                                                            *
*  #.......#| | @||#                                                           *
*  #........| |    *                                                           *
*  #.......#  |    *                                                           *
*  #.......#|  | & |                                                           *
*  #########||   ||#                                                           *
*************####***************************************************************

It was very fun to show those Mi-Go how their own weapons are working nicely against them, got 2 of them in a line with a single shot

Something that could be nice is to have your equipment listed in your grave file so you can check what your characters had before dying.

Hey, nice job! You reached the mid part of the game

I agree that the postmortem info should show your items, identified. It's just something I haven't gotten around to doing yet.

[Majestic7]

Random idea: maybe after becoming adept necromancers, we could go back to dig up our old corpses and resurrect them as persistent allies?

[Neonivek]

Heh

The Migo and the Yith both have Lightning Guns.

In fact one of the weirder aspects of the lore is sometimes there is a bit of overlap...

But then again when the Flying Polyp and Shuggoth exist... Having a lightning gun is probably something you want to invent.

[Törnqvist]

Random idea: maybe after becoming adept necromancers, we could go back to dig up our old corpses and resurrect them as persistent allies?

That would be pretty awesome. Perhaps the graves should not be placed in the forest intro level then, but instead previous dead players can be found inside tombs on the dungeon levels they died at.

[esran]

I just beat v 17.0. Spoiler filled description of victory and comments below:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It was really fun. I was playing a war vet, which I think is by far the easiest class. Even late game. In theory the cultist should be the best late game because he has lots of spells, but I find the cultist is always rather squishy, and magic is much less potent once you find late game guns.

Lately I've been using the sawed off instead of the punp shotgun, and I think its part of the reason I won. Its not so much that you get more damage per ammo, and far more that you get more damage per turn. After I fire two shots I switch to a different gun, but beginning every combat by obliterating several enemies makes fights way easier. Of course, late game shotguns are useless anyway.


Another thing that helped me win was finding lots of dynamite. I don't know how much dynamite I had, but I always seemed to have enough. I've had many character die because they ran out of dynamite (particularly cultists who don't start with any). But this game I had plenty. Late game I even had enough dynamite to kill a hunting horror that cornered me. (I hit it with dynamite one stick at a time as it chased me. It took 4 to take the thing down. )

On that note, mobile is the absolute most important feat in the game. Without it the game is simply impossible. It lets you avoid tough and impossible fights, helps you conserve resources, and allows you to kite melee enemies.

But of all the things that helped me, the thing that helped me most of all, and really allowed me to win, was finding two rejuvinator devices, both at fine quality. I only ever used one of them, but having two made me feel confident to make the decision to use the rejuvinator device early and often. I never actually found any potions of vitality, but rejuvinator devices are like having a big stack of potions of vitality. Those two items alone would have made this my luckiest game ever.

But I also found a staff of the pharoah king in the late game. In addition to being a great melee weapon, a summon spell is excellent for the war veteran which normally has no use for spirit. I barely ever used the spell though, because I was so afraid of hostile mummies.

The late game was really fun, except the very late dungeon was filled with hunting horrors which are essentially impossible to fight. I only killed one, and ran from the rest(twice I used potion of descent to escape, and it would have been three times if I could descent from floor 29.) This is the main reason mobile is absolutely essential BTW. Imperceptible doesn't hurt either, and often gives a turn or two head start.

The actual final boss was easy compared to the never ending swarms of hunting horrors, and I happily took my second win. I suggest he be given some minions (although hunting horror minions would probably make him too hard. Or maybe just leave him how he is, a mild final boss fight isn't necessarily a bad thing.

One day I hope to win without getting massively lucky. Or at least with something other than a war vet.

[Robsoie]

Congratulations for the win, never managed to win once myself, but the game is still lots of fun and with its sound building up the atmosphere.

[nenjin]

Well, just gave this another try.

Made it D5 as a rogue before:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The very first room was full of Deep Ones. Deep Ones are tough :\

This is a roguelike I keep meaning to spend more time with. It's so clean and user friendly, it's got nice details and writing, and I enjoy the perk system.

If there's three wants I'd have, it's better flavor descriptions for objects (tombs, chests, statues, etc..), some more music and better tiles. If IA could get to like, CastlevaniaRL levels of tiles, it'd really be something. Part of that want is it's hard to represent lighting levels correctly.

Another thought is, it'd be cool if the shock reduction on changing floors was dynamic. Like, based on how harrowing your run was you get less shock reduction. Prioritizing events like damage in combat and being set on fire over events like reading a manuscript, time spent in the level.