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[OniRyo]

write as though the demons don't even exist.

What demons? There are only Dancing Clowns in DF 

also, "some migrants have arrived!"  and "a caravan has arrived!" =D

Migrants and caravans aren't the dangers causing the game to pause - it's the nobles and diplomats which accompany them. 

Search for the thread "You have found..." it contains spoilers but at least it shows how not to spoil the special surprise inside your box of FUN-O's.

Heck I'd suggest reading it just on the basis of just how much epic is in there! Especially the reclaim story

[loose nut]

I understand being cagey about HFS, although when you're learning Dwarf Fortress, the wiki is so helpful it's hard to avoid spoilers (willpower-wise). I don't understand "cotton candy" and "clowns." The game itself spoils you there – you'll see references to adamantine and demons if you look in the right places, or if the demonic law-giver of the local goblins comes to play, etc. etc.

[Urist_McArathos]

I understand being cagey about HFS, although when you're learning Dwarf Fortress, the wiki is so helpful it's hard to avoid spoilers (willpower-wise). I don't understand "cotton candy" and "clowns." The game itself spoils you there – you'll see references to adamantine and demons if you look in the right places, or if the demonic law-giver of the local goblins comes to play, etc. etc.

Eh, a demonic law-giver doesn't really PROVE there's a hell right under your feet.  After all, no one assumes that there's a dragon in the caverns just because a big cave seems ideal for a slumbering giant like that, and there isn't always one anyway.

All a demonic law giver proves is that demons exist, but the wheres and hows are still unknown.  The wiki is another matter entirely...I ruined the surprise myself because of an unbearable desire to scroll down and read the secrets.

[Tiruin]

Why don't we just write a small phrase before a spoiler tag so everyone can know.


Like !Warning, Spoilers ahead!
Then the

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, a spoiler tag.

tag?

Simple solution for the over-curious.

Demons aren't spoiled if you see them in adventure mode.

They ARE spoiled when people just tell what happens when you pull the thingy from the earth.


That just kills the fun in what you will find out by a long shot. 

[Kay12]

My two cents: the sword is there as a trap. I see no reason for its existence other than causing grievous fun to whomever claims it. It is meant to trick players.

However, newbies should be given a fair warning about the dangers of that level. Nothing too specific - just mentioning that there are zombies and the gate to Hell there should be enough.

[ImBocaire]

I'd say just mentioning that there are zombies and potentially other dangers is enough. Mentioning Hell is too specific. Plus, if they've ever breached an adamantine tube by accident, they'll probably put two and two together once they realize that the fort is made of slade and guarded by the undead.

[Sir Crashalot]

At the very least, warn them that it could get laggy down there and recommend that they back up their save game before giving it a try.

[OniRyo]

My two cents: the sword is there as a trap. I see no reason for its existence other than causing grievous fun to whomever claims it. It is meant to trick players.

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[Urist_McArathos]

Well, it looks like this conversation was moot, doesn't it?  Took only a couple days for someone to completely ignore convention and spoil the everloving hell out of another sword-finder.

I'm really jealous, honestly.  I still haven't found a demon fortress, and the element of surprise is long gone.  True, it's all my fault (I chose to read the wiki, not blaming anyone there), but I really wish I could experience the craziness for myself instead.  Looks like a lot of Fun.

[Nameless Archon]

Well, it looks like this conversation was moot, doesn't it?

It was moot before it began. You'll never have 100% consensus on this issue, and anyless than 100% is not enough to 'fix it' as the OP would prefer.

[RAKninja]

on a side note, where did the idea of using the terms "circus" and "clowns" come from?

[Urist_McArathos]

on a side note, where did the idea of using the terms "circus" and "clowns" come from?

IIRC, it was an effort to allow us to discuss HFS in the open without spoiling it for the newbies or using tags.  It soon degraded as the clown/circus metaphor was taken to ridiculous lengths and applied to literally every aspect of HFS.

[RAKninja]

yes, but why clowns?  that's what i want to know.

[Smew]

it pretty much just happened in a thread quite a while ago, there was no consensus or discussion on it, some guy just referred to the demons as clowns and that was that, people just ended up picking it up and, yeah, like the other guy said, started taking it to lengths it should have never been taken to.

My best guess? he picked clowns because clowns are frightening, I feel like the master of the obvious here, but there's really not much reading into it you can do.

[Tiruin]

yes, but why clowns?  that's what i want to know.

Toady wanted this to be hidden, for those who have experienced it he came up with euphemisms to hide the words.

"The circus is lots of fun".

That is how you hide it but it seems that now, many people overuse it and then spoil it.

We need more experienced scribes around here. Newbies deserve their fun in the right way.