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Author Topic: What code does Toady use to write DF?  (Read 1781 times)

noodle0117

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What code does Toady use to write DF?
« on: July 22, 2011, 05:39:07 am »
And by that I mean, does he use C++, Java, C or some other kind of programming language to create the world of DF?

Just curious because I just began learning how to program.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2011, 05:44:51 am »
C++, I believe. According to the .dlls packed with DF, he apparently uses Microsoft Visual C++ as a compiler.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 06:06:59 am »
if he used java instead of c++ your ram would explode when you breach the circus
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 09:16:54 am »
By that do you mean that Java is far more memory intensive?
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 09:33:28 am »
Its performance is under most circumstances just worse. While C++ is more complex in terms of debugging it performs simply better than Java. There are exceptions, but not many.

If you're interested. The Compiler is a huge factor:

http://www.developer.com/java/article.php/3856906/Java-vs-C-The-Performance-Showdown.htm
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 09:53:41 am »
The NY Times article about DF says Toady uses C++
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 01:16:18 pm »
C++ with the icons rendered as bitmaps using OpenGL.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 01:21:05 pm »
I read from somewhere that he started with C and then added C++ as he learned it more.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 03:41:36 pm »
C++ is pretty standard in games programming, as nothing else is fast enough (other than pure C which nobody wants to deal with anymore).
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 07:52:07 pm »
MACHINE CODE
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 10:40:08 pm »
He actually codes Dwarf Fortress within Dwarf Fortress.

I'll leave it to you to speculate which came first.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 11:33:06 pm »
It is coded using floodgates and pressure plates. What else did you expect?
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 01:44:15 am »
Quote from: BloodBeard on July 22, 2011, 10:40:08 pm
He actually codes Dwarf Fortress within Dwarf Fortress.

I'll leave it to you to speculate which came first.

Dwarf Fortress came first.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2011, 02:25:07 am »
C++ plus visual studio. Also:
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*** LIBRARIES ****************************************

DF uses the FMOD Sound System
Copyright (C) Firelight Technologies Pty, Ltd., 1994-2006.

The SDL version of DF uses SDL - Simple DirectMedia Layer
Copyright (C) 1997-2006 Sam Lantinga
See the SDL folder for license information.

This SDL version of DF uses The OpenGL Extension Wrangler Library.  What follows is the GLEW License.
*** start GLEW license ***
Copyright (C) 2002-2007, Milan Ikits <milan ikits[]ieee org>
Copyright (C) 2002-2007, Marcelo E. Magallon <mmagallo[]debian org>
Copyright (C) 2002, Lev Povalahev
All rights reserved.

So... mostly it's just C++ and SDL. Looking at GPU usage, it seems he also uses the OpenGL components of SDL for sped up rendering.


On the long term, I'd recommend learning OpenGL from http://lazyfoo.net/, and then OpenGL from http://www.arcsynthesis.org/gltut/
(NOT NeHe, which is what the lazyfoo site recommends. Fixed function pipeline=not great, although that might be considered personal opinion [and the opinion of a lot of people])

Of course, if you're unfamiliar with C++, that would be damn hard. In the short term, I'd recommend DarkGDK: http://www.thegamecreators.com/
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_read&i=22
It's not the best, but it's easy to use, and most of the time it gets the job done.
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Re: What code does Toady use to write DF?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2011, 02:31:45 am »
I'll second the recommendation of learning c++ with SDL and lazyfoo's tutorials. It's what taught me.

This is also an excellent resource for beginners learning C++, though I'd follow lazyfoo's tutorials and use this other one as a reference for basic stuff.
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