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thvaz

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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #210 on: July 24, 2011, 03:00:54 am »

I have a Coca Cola addiction.  I wish I hadn't. When I were offered a job in the middle of the West African jungle my first concern was if I could get Coca Cola there.
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« Reply #211 on: July 24, 2011, 03:01:03 am »

It's caffeine dependency. It's entirely common and not really harmful to one's health in the least. It's no different than somebody who needs that cup of coffee in the morning to get going. As far as the "one-meal-a-day rule" he follows, there's support out there for it being a viable eating pattern with distinct health benefits, especially if you're trying to lose weight.

The soda is the only thing I worry about.  Caffeine is alright, as you say, but there are far worse things in soda.  It's seriously unhealthy.

How seriously? Last I checked, the soda drinking population wasn't dropping dead. My heart is still beating.

2,600,000 ammericans die from heart problems each year.

I've cut out almost all the soda I consume (maybe 12 fl. oz a day, tops) in favor of good, clean water.  So, I clearly agree it's a healthier option than soda.  Having said that, your cited fact is a tad misleading: of those millions, how many die from high cholesterol, or heart disease?  How many have genetic histories that predisposed them to heart maladies?

I'm just saying, there are stronger arguments for why soda is unhealthy than that.  Personally, I think Toady's health is a matter to be discussed and handled by himself, his doctor, and his family.  I personally think it's inappropriate for us, as supportive fans but ultimately strangers or acquaintances at best (for the most part), to be more involved than that.  Just my opinion though.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #212 on: July 24, 2011, 03:25:49 am »

I have a Coca Cola addiction.  I wish I hadn't. When I were offered a job in the middle of the West African jungle my first concern was if I could get Coca Cola there.
Again; stop drinking it slowly by replacing a little of the soda you would have drunk in a day with a better drink. Juices, teas, water, or even sugar water; just make sure that it's not carbonated or with chemicals of dubious health effects (which are up to you, just make sure they match with your body and lifestyle). I don't consume anything with enough artificial dye to stain or anything with ingredients I don't know very well, but I've learned that compared to "normal people" I'm sensitive to anything even slightly disruptive.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #213 on: July 24, 2011, 03:27:09 am »

I'm not going to go about digging up a ton of information.  It's out there if you care.  I'll just say that a couple cans a week won't do much to you, but using it as a major component of your diet will have drastic effects on your health.

And I'm not trying to preach to Toady or stir up a storm about his health.  He was quoted in the article as saying that he knows it's unhealthy, after all.  I just don't like to see people saying otherwise, and I don't think there's anything wrong with dropping a sidenote of concern, either.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #214 on: July 24, 2011, 03:49:12 am »

Long time player (now turned mostly dev-page reader) here. On a hopefully more uplifting note than Toady's apparently impending soda-fueled early death, I donated for the first time after reading the article. It really opened my eyes to the human side of the development process, and I'm glad Toady seems happy with how things are going. I figure if I help one stand-up guy live his dream, then that's a cause worth supporting.
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« Reply #215 on: July 24, 2011, 04:29:54 am »

Good read, and good to see Dwarf Fortress being given some recognition.  :D

't was good reading about how you think about the current state of mainstream game development as I totally agree, rather then putting imagination and love in their game, todays developers are more into studies on human bahavior and using it to create addictive game features, wich are usually unfun, given how much time goes to the latter that could be going to the former.
I didn't quite need to know all the details of your private life though.  ???

Anyway good read, but now I'm a little sadened after reading the part where you admit the unfortunate fact that a game like Dwarf Fortress will never be appreciated on large scale.
Given that knowledge I hugely admire the determination you two put into making this game, because I think everyone will agree here that this game is fucking awesome.
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« Reply #216 on: July 24, 2011, 04:33:18 am »

While DF may never hit mainstream commercial success, as much as your halos and your calls of dutys and what have you, it is a master work among game developers. They will look upon this work with awe, and aspire to game something to compare to. Dwarf fortress has done the hardest, and greatest thing it could do, and that is to show everybody how it is done.

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« Reply #217 on: July 24, 2011, 06:09:27 am »

Let us not be slaves to when the sun rises!

What are you talking about? We are all but slaves to the rising sun.
It's so bright we are forced to take cover and/or sleep.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #218 on: July 24, 2011, 06:09:32 am »

<---- Is entirely addicted to Soda, considering switching over to 5 hour energy shots instead.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #219 on: July 24, 2011, 06:26:37 am »

Let us not be slaves to when the sun rises!

What are you talking about? We are all but slaves to the rising sun.
It's so bright we are forced to take cover and/or sleep.
Touche.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #220 on: July 24, 2011, 06:29:20 am »

I have a Coca Cola addiction.  I wish I hadn't. When I were offered a job in the middle of the West African jungle my first concern was if I could get Coca Cola there.
Again; stop drinking it slowly by replacing a little of the soda you would have drunk in a day with a better drink. Juices, teas, water, or even sugar water; just make sure that it's not carbonated or with chemicals of dubious health effects (which are up to you, just make sure they match with your body and lifestyle). I don't consume anything with enough artificial dye to stain or anything with ingredients I don't know very well, but I've learned that compared to "normal people" I'm sensitive to anything even slightly disruptive.

I reduced it a lot - from about two liters a day to two (at most three) cans a day.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #221 on: July 24, 2011, 07:20:47 am »

I'm just saying, there are stronger arguments for why soda is unhealthy than that.  Personally, I think Toady's health is a matter to be discussed and handled by himself, his doctor, and his family.  I personally think it's inappropriate for us, as supportive fans but ultimately strangers or acquaintances at best (for the most part), to be more involved than that.  Just my opinion though.
BUT WHAT IF HE DOESNT HAVE A DOCTOR!?!?!?!?

Wait, I'l give him mine. Heres what he thinks about this argument.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2011, 07:22:25 am by antymattar »
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #222 on: July 24, 2011, 09:56:59 am »

I am a strong supporter of any plan that involves vast amounts of tea.

Seconded! Tea is awesome.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #223 on: July 24, 2011, 10:01:28 am »

Pfft soda addiction is fine!  I also maybe had one glass of water in a month and got all my hydration from Dr Pepper and I'm as healthy as a horse!  I went through 7 cans in a day and a half.  Hell I think my Bay 12 champions thing still says "Needs Dr Pepper to get through the working day."

*cough cough cough hack* oops need more Dr Pepper *sips* ahhhh....

But yea, drinking all this soda can't be good for either of us, but I can't tell Toady to stop, because I haven't cut down myself.  Good to see the one meal a day thing isn't as unhealthy as my co-workers insist it is though.  Maybe it all evens out.
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Re: NY times article on DF
« Reply #224 on: July 24, 2011, 10:14:56 am »

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Anyway good read, but now I'm a little sadened after reading the part where you admit the unfortunate fact that a game like Dwarf Fortress will never be appreciated on large scale.
Given that knowledge I hugely admire the determination you two put into making this game, because I think everyone will agree here that this game is fucking awesome.
Sums up my feelings pretty well; fair play to Tarn and Zach for doing what they love. I hope that I end up doing something similar with my life, something that just feels ''right''.

Also: am I the only one here who doesn't drink either tea or coffee?
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