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Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« on: July 21, 2011, 11:07:46 pm »

Well do you? I know that they are a killer at the start, but later they just turn into an annoyance. I have lost plenty of adventurers to bogeymen and it pissed me off. Because if I die can it at least be by a dragon please? Instead it's bed-intruder bogeymen coming in to my camp and snatching me up (by the throat) and killing me. Does anyone know why toady added them? I mean this honestly I am new to DF and would like to hear a reason.     


                                   TLDR: Why did toady add bogeymen and does anyone else get annoyed at them?
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 11:41:12 pm »

Fear the night.

The point is for you to seek shelter during the night, and to not just wander around in the wilderness, invulnerable to all threats.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 12:45:20 am »

I find the "fear the night" aspect of them quite nice, and the early-game trip planning (can I get back from that camp or not?) is a fun aspect of the game.

The execution of bogeymen feels a bit gimmicky, though. Just uninteresting, unending grey masses that come at you. You either just run, run, run or you die. It feels a bit too much like a "you step into the fire you lose 5 hp/sec" event for dwarf fortress.
I think some variation in the night monstrosities (and what they do, after all "the bogeyman bites you in the right hand, bruising the muscle; you break the grip of the bogeyman" x 9001 is just annoying) could make succumbing to the night's cold embrace more ``fun`` as opposed to just plain getting killed and losing.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 12:46:25 am »

And thats why you keep companions with you!
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 02:16:14 am »

Bogeymen definitely need to be simply replaced with more frequent ambushes by night creatures, or something.
If my adventurers were all getting murdered by a certain, feared monster, living for ages in a cave before coming out to eat foolish travellers wandering in the dark, then that'd be awesome, and that would add to the story!
As it is with bogeymen, faceless, non-legendary creatures, I just savescum if they kill me.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 02:16:57 am »

Sure you can have companions but if you find yourself asleep outside anyway it's more than likely that a bandit ambush is gonna drop by and ruin your day. I hate it when i get a high level quest to say...kill a dragon and i go to do it but !!OH NOES!!, it's in the middle of nowhere no problem i have 12 companions bogeymen cant touch me. Yeah but those goblin bandits sure can. See what I'm saying ranting?
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 02:52:54 am »

Get companinons , take them down one by one (there lower body is very very easy to cut off) or seek shelther during night (cave, maze , house , etc etc)
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 04:32:01 am »


I had to generate a new world to adventure in because I couldn't gain the fame required to acquire companions without traveling more than a day away from town to slay the target.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 04:38:44 am »

It would help if you had the ability to make fire in Adventure mode that wasn't setting a tree on fire and letting it spread in a wide circle. Anyway, night arrives, set up camp and fire, as long as there's light from the fire present the bogeymen can't get to you. They'd be perfectly fine circling around your spot and trying to snatch you if you get to the edge of the light.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 04:54:49 am »

I find the bogeymen great instant army makers if you set it up where you revive them all as zombies in the daylight which then turns them into
smoke monsters that will crit any one foolish enough to attack them. Nothing say Evil than having a looming cloud of death as a posse.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 05:33:45 am »

Bogeymen, I hate them, that is why I chopped one of their heads off and stowed it away in my pack to remind me of how much I hate them.

Die to light, turn to ash. Smoke and fire they shall not touch.

I guess bogeymen were meant as challenges (albeit very annoying) to high level indestructible adventurers as they could one-hit your brain out.

But I still ask myself why as I stare into those dark, eyeless slits as I could easily go deep into the earth and pull the ____________  ;)
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 06:30:53 am »

Bogeys aren't all that dangerous if you keep your wits about, which translates to not running directly into a huge group of them. If you have a mid-high speed, then you can run in circles around the group, and once a bogey gets ahead of the others, charge its ass flat. They're much less threatening when they're prone, and also much less likely to dodge. Then it's just a matter of cutting their puny little limbs/heads/bodies off. But, if the others catch up, leg it. They aren't so much bogeymen as roid rage monsters.

Also, i've found that dorfs have a huge advantage over the other races in this respect: martial trances. Get one, and you'll fuck the bogeys up royally.
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2011, 07:57:52 am »

Martial trance makes a huge difference due to the whole "You miss the bogeyman despite the fact that the strike was a simple strike and very square. x90000" bullshit caused by their size as far as I can tell.

Another interesting tip for anyone bothered by the Bogey jump/dodge ability, carry a spear as well as a slashing weapon. If you can manage to stick a spear into them they can't dodge and you can go to town on them with slashing weapons (which don't tend to get stuck as often).
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Re: Anyone else facepalm at bogeymen?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 05:51:49 pm »

I have to agree that this feature has not added to the enjoyment of Adventure Mode for me. It's not like the wilderness was benign before; now it's unsurvivable without companions.
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