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[Putnam]

Nope, they're still all going to be transformations. Makes it easier on me. Doesn't require the "can't get any more" thing. Also, it allows for a great amount more interesting things--Heir of Light actually glowing (doing the lighty thing), for example.

Also, not 144--156, maybe even 168. Lord and maybe Muse are going in as well.

[Asra]

Not gonna lie, I'd be interested in seeing how you handle the heirs in particular. Heir of Void for example. Invisibility somehow? Heir of Doom? But yeah I fully support the idea.

[Slayerhero90]

Heirs of Doom swap places with a doomed timeline so that they can become doomed. My idea of them at least.

[Putnam]

I'm thinking that Heirs of Doom should be wont to protect others at great risk to themselves, in a way, much like Mituna did.

[Asra]

Heirs of Doom BECOME doom though. Obviously they should cause immediate tantrum spirals and plague.

I think that would make sense. Become Doomed themselves to help others. It would make being an heir of doom not entirely a bad thing too, since I doubt there are any completely "You lose" classes.

[Kaleb702 Games]

But that's an assumption. It's never been said that heirs become their aspects. We should extrapolate only from canon abilities of heirs.

[Putnam]

Hmm. Now that I think of it, John passively used the windy thing before knowing he had it; Equius was a big hole in Doc Scratch's omniscience, and Mituna... caused brain damage to himself. It appears that heirs, at first, help others through their their aspect even before they have realized their ability to, which may come through some crisis (John had the green fire, Mituna had the mysterious thing, and equius was too damn strong to have any difficulty).

EDIT: Heirs are now, in the mod, like slow-burning witches. They are capable of doing the same things with their aspects as witches, but they're not nearly as good at it until they're about halfway through their god tiers. I'm not really considering this god-tiering anymore, but actualization, and the full journey that requires. Here's what I have so far in the development of god tiers (I was sidetracked for 4-5 hours by TVtropes >_>)

For example, the Heir of Breath starts off only as a simple god tiered player--they're just better at combat than those who aren't god-tiered. However, as they go through more combat, they gain the power to do the windy thing, which is as it is in the mod right now; however, it will get more and more powerful, until they are fully actualized and able to use the windy thing... well, very well.

The Seer of Breath can see what direction others want their future to travel--I.E, they can tell what others want and they are capable of learning to manipulate and persuade others much more easily because of that.

The Knight of Breath is different than the Heir--while the Heir is a bit more roundabout in his method of attack, the Knight will just use the wind to cave in his enemy's skull. Not much more to it.

The Witch of Breath is a bit more useful than the heir early game, but overall similar. She should be just as useful over the course of a fortress, especially for those of you like me who don't keep ultra-long forts :V

The Maid of Breath is a WIP.

The Page should be to the Knight as the Heir is to the Witch.

The rest I haven't even thought of.

[freeformschooler]

Breath aspect could potentially become interesting once we get to the next version and have, gasp, JUMPING. How would the Seer of Breath be implemented in-game?

[Putnam]

Breath aspect could potentially become interesting once we get to the next version and have, gasp, JUMPING. How would the Seer of Breath be implemented in-game?

It's not a "how could", it's an "already done"

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Having difficulty with figuring out the Maid of Breath. Can't think of a way to get that particular title to work, not in an in-game way, but in a general "ah I have no idea" way. Just got done with Rogue of Breath and moving on to Bard of Breath, which is infuriatingly abstract. I would have the Bard and Maid cause the BREEZE, the latter being a vapor version, the former being a dust version, but creatures can't cause weather interactions.

[freeformschooler]

Here's some possible tidbits I dug up from different authors.

Spoiler: Seer of Breath (click to show/hide)

"Literally speaking, a Seer of Breath sees and knows movement. This can be interpreted as  knowing where to go and how to get there in the most efficient way. With a Seer of Breath as an ally, a team will never find themselves lost. As the tactitian of their team, a Seer guides their forces into the best place to fight most effectively from, as dictated by their Breath aspect. Fighting using ‘hit-and-run’ guerilla tactics is the Seer of Breath’s forte."

As a basic power, the Seer might also be able to increase the accuracy of an ally's strikes.

Spoiler: Maid of Breath (click to show/hide)

"Maid:  Delays aspect, uses aspect to delay.

Breath:  Wind, spirit, health

The Maid of Breath will have many abilities within the session, and will prove to be quite useful.  First, using breath to delay.  One way is to simply blow enemies away, stopping them from attacking a group.  Another is to delay death by making one healthy again, thus acting as a healer for the group, though not as effective as a hero of life or a sylph would be.  She would also delay events that would cause a drop in the spirit or health of the group, trying to keep everyone positive."

"A Maid of Breath is a active (selfish) class, and would entail something along the lines of providing yourself with breath, or air and freedom! Providing yourself with air means you can provide yourself with wind as a weapon, similarly to how John utilizes it! You could float on air and fly and create whirlwinds and stuff and you could also provide yourself with air or breathe while underwater, or while being strangled or something. As well as that, providing yourself with freedom is a really cool ability too! I got a little abstract with it, but I really like what it implies! You would essentially give yourself freedom of choice, freedom of thought, freedom of pain….I’m thinking perhaps this means you could make yourself…pass out? Fall asleep? This thought isn’t complete, but by doing something along those lines you could remove yourself from pain, or thought by going to sleep! Or, even more simply, you could just have the ability to remove thoughts from your mind that you don’t want, or remove yourself from pain if/whenever you wanted."

I personally like the first one better. It fits more with the Maid of Breath archetype - "one who performs duties in the service of Breath." A class that uses breath not as a weapon but a combat tool, perhaps?

[Putnam]

Hmm. I feel that seers are far more passive than most classes, having more awareness than the ability to give others that awareness. If I were to give them a combat skill, it would be to increase the rolls of their allies, but there's no easy way to do that.

The Seer of Light sees the best path for good fortune; the Seer of Mind sees other paths that may have been taken by individuals and the effects on the timeline thereof; the Seer of Blood sees the paths taken by those who are close to him, especially genetically; the Seer of Breath sees the paths that others most want to take. This would make the Seer of Breath extremely powerful, since the alpha timeline seems to be built mostly on the various wants and desires of all the people involved in its propagation.

However, this being Dwarf Fortress, there are no timelines, and the Seer of Breath's usefulness will probably be limited to hanging out around your military and giving them some combat boosts/being a broker.

[Teneb]

On the subject of Bards of Breath, don't bards destroy their aspect/let their aspect be destroyed? I guess choking people to death might be appropriate.

[Putnam]

On the subject of Bards of Breath, don't bards destroy their aspect/let their aspect be destroyed? I guess choking people to death might be appropriate.

That's prince.

"bard coUld be seen as "one who allows x to be destroyed, or invites destrUction throUgh x," as if by the will of the aspect."

Hmm. I could go with a kind of "focus all attacks on the Bard's target" thing, but that would be too similar for all bards.

Bah, sounds good enough.

[freeformschooler]

Hmm... re: the whole "improving accuracy/maneuverability" thing, it might actually be optimal to save that for the Sylph of Breath and leave the Seer of Breath as you did it. Some possible ideas for that are along the lines of a temporary CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE multiplier to Agility or a temporary boost (2x? 4x?) to Dodging.

[Putnam]

Can't modify skills with interactions alone, which is exactly why I'm using creature variations instead.

The Sylph, as of now, has better skill in teaching and can clean/heal people. I'm on Mage and Lord now. Mage I'll save till later--he's a bit... iffy, if you know what I mean. Difficult to tell what could be done there. Lord is easy enough.

EDIT: Everything but mage done. I have muses, too.

EDIT 2: Getting started on light players now.