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UltraValican

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Care to tell me what went wrong
« on: July 19, 2011, 11:54:03 am »
I'm a first time modder and I decided to create a "prehistory" df conversion mod. I tried to make a new creature but it wont show up in the arena...am I missing any tags.

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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 11:56:45 am »
The creature needs a name. Try adding [NAME:caveman:cavemen:caveman] to the entity. I'm not sure that's all of it though.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 11:58:42 am »
I thought entity was only use for for civilazations.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 12:00:48 pm »
Quote from: UltraValican on July 19, 2011, 11:54:03 am
   [NAME:early_human:early_humans:early_humanl
   [CASTE_NAME:early_human:early_humans:early_humanl
Tags aren't closed - you have l instead of ] at the end.

Also, is this in its own file? If so, is the very first line of the file the name of the file (ex: creature_caveman if the file is named creature_caveman.txt).

EDIT: And just so you know, it's okay to have spaces in things like the name/caste name tags - so [NAME:early human:early humans:early human] would be fine.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 12:11:27 pm »
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New raws, but they still arn't showing up in the arena.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 12:13:00 pm »
You need to have [OBJECT:CREATURE] after the line with the name of the file, and before the first [CREATURE:...] line.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 12:18:05 pm »
Thank you, that seemed to do the trick..now time to figure out how to get fur on the little bugger...
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 12:18:49 pm »
Quote from: Kweri on July 19, 2011, 12:00:48 pm
If so, is the very first line of the file the name of the file (ex: creature_caveman if the file is named creature_caveman.txt).
The first line doesn't actually have to be the name of the file - it just needs to be a non-blank string.

I just tested this in Arena mode with creature_standard.txt: when the first non-blank string in the file was [OBJECT:CREATURE], none of the relevant creatures showed up, but when I added a single "a", they reappeared. It's possible that the contents of the string are important (e.g. for determining where things show up in the relevant data structures, possibly as a fix for bug 332), but it does not have to be the same as the filename.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 01:38:51 pm »
Quote from: Quietust on July 19, 2011, 12:18:49 pm
Quote from: Kweri on July 19, 2011, 12:00:48 pm
If so, is the very first line of the file the name of the file (ex: creature_caveman if the file is named creature_caveman.txt).
The first line doesn't actually have to be the name of the file - it just needs to be a non-blank string.

I just tested this in Arena mode with creature_standard.txt: when the first non-blank string in the file was [OBJECT:CREATURE], none of the relevant creatures showed up, but when I changed it to a simple "a", they reappeared. It's possible that the contents of the string are important (e.g. for determining where things show up in the relevant data structures, possibly as a fix for bug 332), but it does not have to be the same as the filename.
Awesomesauce; this is good to know. Would be interesting to find out just what significance the first line DOES have.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 01:55:05 pm »
The first line is used for raw-parsing order, from testing [COPY_TAGS_FROM]. I think it's alphabetical? Here's the testing file I used:
Code: [Select]
creature_aaa

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:DWARFB]
[COPY_TAGS_FROM:DWARF]
and
Code: [Select]
creature_zzz

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:DWARFB]
[COPY_TAGS_FROM:DWARF]
in a file named creature_dwarf2. The first one fails, the second one works.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 03:01:58 pm »
Quote from: dree12 on July 20, 2011, 01:55:05 pm
The first line is used for raw-parsing order, from testing [COPY_TAGS_FROM]. I think it's alphabetical? Here's the testing file I used:
Code: [Select]
creature_aaa

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:DWARFB]
[COPY_TAGS_FROM:DWARF]
and
Code: [Select]
creature_zzz

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:DWARFB]
[COPY_TAGS_FROM:DWARF]
in a file named creature_dwarf2. The first one fails, the second one works.
The fact that COPY_TAGS_FROM only works if the tags being copied have been parsed first, and the fact that the first line decides parsing order, should probably be put in the wiki somewhere if it isn't already.
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Re: Care to tell me what went wrong
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2011, 05:17:50 pm »
I would, but the modding section is a gigantic mess. It's less useful then the forums and the game itself for modding advise, unfortunately. There is an arcane naming system, units are as inconsistant as the old English System, there are a lot of inaccuracies, and the organization is suboptimal. I might put some work into it soon, but really it would be easier to scrap the entire thing.

Do you actually find the modding wiki section useful in any way? I certainly don't. (end tangent)
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