Extend. Unlike Vector, unfortunately, I have no valid excuses.
McArathos:Well, I guess I owe Webadict an apology...
Not really. If he's scummy, he's scummy. If he's suspicious, he's suspicious. If you want to investigate him... you get the idea.
Let's see...My number one vote is NKed, my number three lynched, and number two is rife with WIFOM arguments based on this aftermath.
Hmm...it could be that the scum did this in a sloppy attempt to frame somebody, but that seems a little too obvious, even for a newbie. Webadict's investigation only pointed to Vector and Urist, and Urist is already dead, and Vector is...iffy to investigate, given that we could go round and round about whether or not she would NK Weba after their fighting Day One.
This is not how you deal with WIFOM. You deal with WIFOM by
ignoring it, completely. This is arguably worse than indulging it because at least indulging it gives you a chance to be right- this is basically saying "this could involve WIFOM and is thus unknowable," which is completely unacceptable for dealing with someone's alignment.
2) Billybobfred/Vector. Both have some things that are making me suspicious, but it's hard to pin them down with anything too solid. Unfortunately, Weba being NKed is hard to ignore when making a case against Vector. It seems like an obvious scum framing (but that way lies WIFOM, so I try to push it aside).
3) IronyOwl. Not much on the owl, but I was fairly sure at least one IC was scum, and I'm not sure where I stand on Irony. Bears watching, at least.
Is there any particular reason you're not questioning any of your three secondary suspicions?
I'm pretty sure you and Flandre are town; your scumhunting currently seems legit, not bandwagoning. I suppose Flandre could have bussed Urist, but his play was so sloppy at the end I doubt it. It seemed like an easy call to make.
This seems to contradict itself. Wouldn't Urist's play being so sloppy that it was an "easy call to make" make it
more likely Flandre had bussed Urist?
Flandre:Here is Urist's attempt at wriggling out of my grasp. They were questions addressed to you, nonetheless:
@Bdthemag Who do you think the scum are? Why were you so defensive early on in this game? And why did you you disappear afterward?
Why does Mcinternetuser attempting to deflect onto Bd make you suspicious of Bd?
Simple:IronyOwl: You were pretty passive D1 but when you acted it all was bit strange how often it was connected with scriver/kilakan/urist actions.
I don't think so. Asking you about scriver was almost all I did prior to the replace business, but after that it seemed fairly spread out.
He was also strangely looking for your support few times. This itself wouldn't be enoug to make you my prime suspect but every time you pointed out his mistakes you ended at simple remark where everyone else mistakes you pointed out were followed by some questioning.
I don't remember anything like the first part, and the second part I'm pretty sure is wrong, if we're talking about McInternetuser.
I belive you were the person who attacked urist the least. Any conclusions from urist flip ?
I'm pretty sure this is wrong as well, though I couldn't swear to it.
No current conclusions from Urist's flip, but I should probably reread and see if anyone was acting suspiciously, specifically hopping on the banwagon once it looked like he was a goner. Did that, noted that:
Vector was the fourth vote on him, and it was a bit lazy. Definitely puts her in the possible-bus category.
Flandre was on him pretty hard. Third vote, so it's certainly a possible bus, but there were numerous other targets and she was legitimately calling him out on things. Either a fairly elaborate setup or I'm thinking Flandre's town.
Simple was the second vote on him and pointed out his vote-hopping and general scumminess. Same general boat as Flandre.
So actually, I'm leaning pretty hardcore towards Vector being scum.
Feel free to provide quotes if you disagree with my disagreements, but at the moment it's looking like you don't really have a case.
Everyone:Just to throw my 2 cents in, if you guys still think vec is suspicious, why not expand upon wubas suspicions? There is no need to interpret the NK sucssesfuly, so you should probably just stick with your previous suspicions if she was high up on your list.
This is surprisingly good advice. Also, while it should generally come from more experienced sources, I tend to prefer a more open policy on random strangers dropping by to dispense wisdom. A variety of viewpoints is usually a good thing.
but now that he's dead, we know he was town, and as such, he wasn't trying to mislead us.
This is correct. Note that this doesn't say anything about whether or not he was correct- he might have misjudged something, or been incompetent, or outwitted himself in some convoluted scheme that didn't pay off- but we know he wasn't malicious, and that if he said or did something, it was because he thought it would help town win.
The fact that he's pretty competent in general (and was NKed rather than lynched for being scummy) helps with that, of course, but this still shouldn't be confused with "he's town therefore his scumpicks are correct" or "he's town therefore everyone who was saying he's scum is scum themselves" or similar.
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